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Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by notjackma »

mc32 wrote: post #191
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't imagine doing business with a Russian owned company at this point. An autocratic regime has never been good for internet or software freedoms. I'm very glad I chose Sophos over Kaspersky for our shop.

Kaspersky is interesting. I like their security labs but I am always aware their founder was FSB (KGB-trained) and has good relations with senior personnel (nomenklatura) there, so, while I don't think it's automatic that Kaspersky would do the Russ gov 'favors' it's not out of the question either however Wired has reported as such.

The founder of Huawei was in the PLA, and this is often used to bash the company.

Why is it ok to serve country A, B, C and then go into business... but if you serve country X,Y,Z you're suddenly untrustworthy?

What next? Make business decisions based upon the sexual preferences of the CEO?

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

mc32 wrote: post #191
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't imagine doing business with a Russian owned company at this point. An autocratic regime has never been good for internet or software freedoms. I'm very glad I chose Sophos over Kaspersky for our shop.

Kaspersky is interesting. I like their security labs but I am always aware their founder was FSB (KGB-trained) and has good relations with senior personnel (nomenklatura) there, so, while I don't think it's automatic that Kaspersky would do the Russ gov 'favors' it's not out of the question either however Wired has reported as such.

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Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by yuncun »

notjackma wrote: post #221
mc32 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kaspersky is interesting. I like their security labs but I am always aware their founder was FSB (KGB-trained) and has good relations with senior personnel (nomenklatura) there, so, while I don't think it's automatic that Kaspersky would do the Russ gov 'favors' it's not out of the question either however Wired has reported as such.

The founder of Huawei was in the PLA, and this is often used to bash the company. Why is it ok to serve country A, B, C and then go into business... but if you serve country X,Y,Z you're suddenly untrustworthy? What next? Make business decisions based upon the sexual preferences of the CEO?

McDonald’s CEO, James Skinner, is interesting. I like their chicken mcNuggets, but I am always aware that their CEO is US-Navy trained, and maintains a good relation with armed forces.

Seriously though, everybody was China is PLA - it doesn't mean anything. Back in the day, PLA is one of the few ways to get an education and not be a farmer.

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

notjackma wrote: post #221
mc32 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kaspersky is interesting. I like their security labs but I am always aware their founder was FSB (KGB-trained) and has good relations with senior personnel (nomenklatura) there, so, while I don't think it's automatic that Kaspersky would do the Russ gov 'favors' it's not out of the question either however Wired has reported as such.

The founder of Huawei was in the PLA, and this is often used to bash the company. Why is it ok to serve country A, B, C and then go into business... but if you serve country X,Y,Z you're suddenly untrustworthy? What next? Make business decisions based upon the sexual preferences of the CEO?

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Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by tonfa »

sschueller wrote: post #160
robk wrote: post #34

Word is that most employees are being offered full relocation (generally to Zurich) which I have to think will be well received. This goes for both Moscow and St Petersburg.

Zürich is going to be difficult with the new ruling from Parliament to reduce the permits for people outside of the EU. (1) Yet Google announced opening another office today. (1) http://mobile2.tagesanzeiger.ch/articles/29666497

Though 1) everyone in switzerland is still wondering how they are going to implement it without breaking bilateral relations with EU and 2) it doesn't mean reducing permit, it means having a limit (vs. free flow with Schengen), and before Schengen Google did not seem to have much issue getting permits for its workforce

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by supergirl »

frozenport wrote: post #54
tinco wrote: post #27

Will they close their offices in Europe as well when Europe implements the same laws? They're put in a bad light now because Russia does it, but the EU is contemplating the exact same laws. These laws are not because Russia wants the data for themselves, they are because the US currently has them and they've been shown to be absolutely incapable of dealing with that responsibility in an acceptable fashion.

No! The EU doesnt require its citizens to show ID when logging onto public WiFi!

Some EU countries do. Some want to. Why don't you get informed before talking?

Italy is one: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Italy

The law is meant against terrorism. I am sure Russia has a good excuse too.

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by unprepare »

osipov wrote: post #206
unprepare wrote: post #162

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interesting, an article written by an author who has never written anything else and comes up with not a single social media profile, or really anything other than this article and articles referencing it. perfect shill bait.

Are you serious? This is Brian. I've met him: https://www.youtube.com/user/DiversitySpectrum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTS4ZASCo_0&list=UUsd-fzq2Mj... Brian is gay btw.

hmm

a couple 5 year old youtube videos, not very convincing lets dig deeper

joined twitter in 2009 but his first tweet was this january, 2 tweets ever - oh and the tweet was this article, apparently the only this thing "journalist" has ever written(and its not even journalism? its a whitepaper)

diversity spectrum eh? lets check them out

nothing but their own website comes up on a web search (diversityspectrum.org), bunch of meaningless bullshit you'd expect from a 'thinktank' website

I'll check the domain registration - looks like its registered to Perfect Privacy LLC

weird why would they want to obfuscate the domain?

What about this owner, Lynn Gardner Heffron?

searching her turns up similar results to your buddy Brian, bunch of astro turfed bullshit.

Sorry shill, I dont even care if brian m heiss is a real person in the world, these are clearly shill accounts designed specifically to push this one single whitepaper document. Let me know when Brian M Heiss (the Media Professional/Public Relations Pro/Journalist - his words) writes something else, maybe i'll check it out, because for such an incredible media talent he has a surprising lack of footprint on the internet

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by guard-of-terra »

nnq wrote: post #220
vadman wrote: post #165

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Your country was of enormous help to Hitler while attacking the USSR, and the retribution you had to "endure", given everything you did, was astonishingly mild. So spare me your complaints.

> given everything you did Man, it's 2014, the people that did anything in WW2 on both sides are long dead. And in the context of that time, "the Allies" included Stalin's Russia (read some history, this tyrant killed more of his own people than there were victims of Hitler's holocaust!), so choosing to support Hitler's Germany against an alliance that included Russia was not necessarily a bad idea at that that time,…

"You try to rebuild countries and economies, regardless of what seems "fair" or not"

The problem here: after the cold war, which Russia lost, nobody cared to rebuild its economy; instead everything was done to siphon people and resources away and to destroy industry. Obviously US really did not want to see Russia on the map anymore and so they did that.

Guess what - 20 years pass, Russia is angry like a non-mortally wounded wild animal.

I'm not a fan of mr. Putin but he's very cautious still. With someone less cautious it WILL look like pre-WW2.

And of course it will be a disaster for everyone involved.

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by bluekeybox »

mc32 wrote: post #191
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't imagine doing business with a Russian owned company at this point. An autocratic regime has never been good for internet or software freedoms. I'm very glad I chose Sophos over Kaspersky for our shop.

Kaspersky is interesting. I like their security labs but I am always aware their founder was FSB (KGB-trained) and has good relations with senior personnel (nomenklatura) there, so, while I don't think it's automatic that Kaspersky would do the Russ gov 'favors' it's not out of the question either however Wired has reported as such.

> while I don't think it's automatic that Kaspersky would do the Russ gov 'favors'

What's with this amazing inability of us Westerners to learn from past mistakes and endless optimism about benevolent intention of others? You'd think we would have corrected this by now, eg. after http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/russiago.... Personally FYI, I understand the optimism, but less so the inability to learn.

TL;DR Sorry, it's automatic. No such thing as ex-KGB. [/End of rant].

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by xxxyy »

notjackma wrote: post #221
mc32 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kaspersky is interesting. I like their security labs but I am always aware their founder was FSB (KGB-trained) and has good relations with senior personnel (nomenklatura) there, so, while I don't think it's automatic that Kaspersky would do the Russ gov 'favors' it's not out of the question either however Wired has reported as such.

The founder of Huawei was in the PLA, and this is often used to bash the company. Why is it ok to serve country A, B, C and then go into business... but if you serve country X,Y,Z you're suddenly untrustworthy? What next? Make business decisions based upon the sexual preferences of the CEO?

It is just propaganda. And the negligence to admit that all citizens are subject to it, not only the non-democratic countries. I believe that such fear of "the others" (the communists in this case) is the root of any national identity.
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