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Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by mc32 »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #153
jkaljundi wrote: post #125

Acronis, one of best known Russian tech companies, is slowly moving to Estonia: http://www.investinestonia.com/en/about-estonia/news/article... There are also quite a few who are moving from Russia to Ukraine. Also remembered this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-28/luxoft-to-move-500-...

I can't imagine doing business with a Russian owned company at this point. An autocratic regime has never been good for internet or software freedoms. I'm very glad I chose Sophos over Kaspersky for our shop.

Kaspersky is interesting. I like their security labs but I am always aware their founder was FSB (KGB-trained) and has good relations with senior personnel (nomenklatura) there, so, while I don't think it's automatic that Kaspersky would do the Russ gov 'favors' it's not out of the question either however Wired has reported as such.

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

dionidium wrote: post #183
osipov wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very myopic view and here's why -- virtually all governments in the world are becoming increasingly authoritarian because of the global economic crisis and the civilian unrest that it provokes. For example, replace Putin in your sentence and you'll get "United States is increasingly cracking down on any possibility of dissent and threat to it power". You can support that statement with facts about police in…

You can support that statement with facts about police in Ferguson Not really. Ferguson represents a lot of things, but I don't think there's any evidence that it's part of some national crackdown on dissent. How would that even work?

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Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by pistle »

mc32 wrote: post #191
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #153

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I can't imagine doing business with a Russian owned company at this point. An autocratic regime has never been good for internet or software freedoms. I'm very glad I chose Sophos over Kaspersky for our shop.

Kaspersky is interesting. I like their security labs but I am always aware their founder was FSB (KGB-trained) and has good relations with senior personnel (nomenklatura) there, so, while I don't think it's automatic that Kaspersky would do the Russ gov 'favors' it's not out of the question either however Wired has reported as such.

There are favors and then there is the bidding of a powerful hand.

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by okatsu »

notjackma wrote: post #187
PJDK wrote: post #151

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There's nothing wrong with telling Children that it's fine to be gay

Depends on who's telling the Children, right? Like Larry Brinkin, the former San Francisco Human Rights commissioner and high-profile gay rights activist? "Larry Brinkin, S.F. Gay Rights Activist Convicted of Porn Charges, Headed to Jail... SF Weekly broke the news in June 2012 when local cops had arrested the high-profile gay rights activist after investigators traced images of children as young as perhaps a year ol…

I don't understand your point. Two people did something bad, so that means the promotion of LGBT rights as a whole is wrong?

Would you like to count how many heterosexuals are in prison for doing the same?

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by notjackma »

colinbartlett wrote: post #177
notjackma wrote: post #163

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Why discriminate against a Russian company over something that may or may not happen? Russia has elections and they have laws which affect businesses based there - pretty much like every other country out there. As the article states, Google is moving its engineers but the sales team is staying, so this reorganization is less to do with politics and more to do with Google centralizing its engineers in Zurich - just l…

And why choose Zurich over Moscow as the place to center its engineers? Maybe because the business climate is not as conducive and that's very much because of the political situation in Russia.

Zurich = Central location in Europe, natives speak multiple languages, science and R&D already there (pharmaceutical).

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by dreamweapon »

notjackma wrote: post #176
Yizahi wrote: post #119

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Putin has started Russia-Ukraine war in February and Russian troops has downed MH17 using Russian AA complex. So he is responsible obviously. Putin regime has killed several journalists. The gay thing is not so clear, he may be gay himself.

Wow, you must know something the rest of the world doesn't. If you have evidence that Russian troops shot down flight MH-17 then you should present it to the Dutch parliament and the United Nations. Otherwise, like the rest of us, you should wait for investigators to finish their work.

If you have evidence that Russian troops...

It was the (trigger-happy) proxy forces, more likely.

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by kofejnik »

osipov wrote: post #62
danmaz74 wrote: post #28

Putin is increasingly cracking down on any possibility of dissent and threat to his power, whatever the consequences to the Russian economy, and this of course scares foreign companies who work there - even if, with the recent fall of the ruble, Russian talent is even more affordable now. I'm afraid (I have friends in Russia) that we're going to see more of this.

That's a very myopic view and here's why -- virtually all governments in the world are becoming increasingly authoritarian because of the global economic crisis and the civilian unrest that it provokes. For example, replace Putin in your sentence and you'll get "United States is increasingly cracking down on any possibility of dissent and threat to it power". You can support that statement with facts about police in…

I'd say, we are not demonizing Putin hard enough

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by osipov »

unprepare wrote: post #157
osipov wrote: post #134

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You are not parsing the text correctly. It is legal to "hold any gay pride events, speak in favor of gay rights, or say that gay relationships are equal to heterosexual relationships" It is illegal "illegal to hold any gay pride events, speak in favor of gay rights, or say that gay relationships are equal to heterosexual relationships _in presence of minors_."

I am not parsing anything incorrectly. > _in presence of minors_ so, anywhere in public? where would one find space to hold a public event where children are guaranteed to not be present? Also the whole line of reasoning is that mentioning homosexuality to children makes them gay which is... bad? thats a value judgment on homosexuality that was put in place by the government, yet you are trying to constantly say that…

I don't know if you have kids but I do.

I don't want my kids to be exposed to any form of expression supporting any sexual lifestyle. In fact, I don't event want my kids to see a blurred photo of Kim Kardashian's naked butt on TV.

There is zero prejudice in this value statement. And most parents agree with my position.

When my kids are adults they can decide about sexual relationships for themselves. Until then I decide for them and I want a legal system that supports my decisions.

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by mc32 »

pistle wrote: post #193
mc32 wrote: post #191

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Kaspersky is interesting. I like their security labs but I am always aware their founder was FSB (KGB-trained) and has good relations with senior personnel (nomenklatura) there, so, while I don't think it's automatic that Kaspersky would do the Russ gov 'favors' it's not out of the question either however Wired has reported as such.

There are favors and then there is the bidding of a powerful hand.

Well, in this case, there is no difference --unless you want to end up like regime critiquing reporters often end up.

Re: Google to close engineering office in Russia

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Post by osipov »

okatsu wrote: post #159
osipov wrote: post #140

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It is legal to speak in favor of gay rights. It is illegal for adults to speak in favor of gay rights TO MINORS. Much like it is legal to have sex. And illegal for adults to have sex with minors. The law is explained in detail here: http://gallery.mailchimp.com/d0e55f3197099944345708652/files...

Did you just compare a minor being told that homosexuality is okay to having sex with an adult? And as I've said earlier, that basically prevents any public promotion.

The logical structure of the two arguments is the same.

I don't want my kids to be exposed to public promotion of any sexual lifestyle. In fact I don't even want them to see a blurred photo of Kim Kardashian's naked butt on TV.

LGBT community can rent out a conference center and hold the rally there, advertising it publicly and denying minors access to the premises. This is perfectly legal under today's LGBT laws in Russia.

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