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The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#101

How hard would it be to build a distributed hosting system for all the torrents ever on Piratebay ? Considering how one poster here says that all of the torrents upto 2013 fit into 90 MB , its quite feasible. It could tunnel over TOR to make tracking things a little more difficult.

Isn't it already roughly done like that? the entire bittorrent magnet system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_URI_scheme

which, if I'm not mistaken, will look for peers which have the relevant torrent file, and acquire and use that

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and the 90MB is all the information /except/ torrent files, once again, if I'm not mistaken

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#104
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. But how would one manage updates? I.e. accepting new torrents.

How about just falling back to Gnutella P2P for the torrent hosting layer.

Is that really a viable alternative? My impression is that people left the Gnutella network due to instability and floods of crap files.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#105
post #33

Can anybody explain what's the fuzz regarding pirate bay? I mean, there are tons of good torrent sites and search engines everybody use every day... I don't even remember when I last time used TPB...

The authorities, indeed even the Movie industry, don't care about the niche search engines and torrent sites that the 1% of people into the scene use, they care about the big ones that 99% of the people use. By shutting down TPB, they've just eliminated the site that >99% of people are using, which is all that really matters to them. Moral: Stay off the Radar of those in power, and you can do whatever you want.

Alternative explanation: when trying to solve a problem attack the biggest issue first. If TPB was the torrent site for a majority of users (and especially for casual users) then you attack that site first. Now that it is down you move on to #2, #3, etc. The niche sites are less important than the mega-site, but that does not mean that they are not on someone's radar or not going to be next on the list. The "why go after me when TPB is out there doing much worse to you" excuse also goes away.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#107
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sad that I have to beat that tired old drum again, but in law, intent matters (yes I have a law degree but I think it's fair to say that one doesn't need one to know that). After 15 years I should have been desensitized by farcically naive 'reasoning' (or I should say, farcically naive sophistry, because let's face it, that's what it is) like 'they don't post torrents, the users do' and 'how can a small string b…

I don't think that the post you were responding to was really arguing that the size of the hash was the significant factor for legality. It was instead pointing out that treating the distribution of such short hashes as illegal is absurd. There is nothing to prevent a government from making laws against, say, the distribution of bomb making information. Governments have done so. Such laws are still absurd in a world…

I'm not sure what you're arguing. Is it that IP protection laws are immoral, or that they're impractical? GP was making a moral argument (I think), you seem to be making a practical one.

So assuming that you are making a practical argument: should there be no laws that are hard to enforce? Let's take domestic abuse, or child abuse. Hard to detect, even harder to prosecute because there is usually little physical evidence. So should we just throw our hands in the air and go home?

"Such laws are still absurd in a world where there is no practical way to limit the distribution of such ideas."

Well a largish number of raids over the last years on sites hosting torrents, causing these sites to disappear, would say that you're wrong. Sure, it's hard to completely restrict all illegal distribution. That's not even a practical goal. But with TPB down, it's become quite a bit more difficult to find illegal content for people who are occasional torrenters (i.e. not people who are members of private sites, or who use IRC - a tiny subset of all people).

People have been saying for years 'you can't shut down the torrent sites!'. Well there aren't a whole lot of them left, are there? So it does seem that IP law enforcement isn't as impossible as you claim it to be.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#109
post #96
post #4

In the last 8 years the pirate bay hasn't changed? It went open source and embraced magnet links entirely. Making it so that almost nothing was being hosted on the server itself. You can download the entire pirate bay in 90MB to put one up of your own. There are hundreds of pirate bays all over the world running on almost nothing allowing everyone to download the same things at the same speeds. [edit: It didn't go op…

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Am I missing something here?

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#110

Is there any existing project or PoC for a blockchain based torrent index ?

I believe you mean a decentralised repository of TPB's magnet links?

I guess a Git repo would do just fine. It just needs to be regularly updated and signed-off by TPB's people.

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