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The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#21
post #8

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Sorry. I was mistaken it didn't go open source, the proxybay was literally proxies to the main site and now all of them are down. You can in fact download a copy of every torrent and magnet link, then build your own site that searches through them. Magnet links are just a short string of text so one who does isn't hosting anything as far as I'm concerned. That isn't the law apparently.

> all of them are down If you mean all the 'thepiratebay' domains, I think you are mistaken. This one works for me: https://thepiratebay.cr/ haven't tried any else yet

500 Internal Server Error

If the page loads that doesn't mean it works correctly.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#22
post #21

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> all of them are down If you mean all the 'thepiratebay' domains, I think you are mistaken. This one works for me: https://thepiratebay.cr/ haven't tried any else yet

500 Internal Server Error If the page loads that doesn't mean it works correctly.

Works for me: http://i.imgur.com/GD3rZuv.png but it wasn't earlier. Got the same error.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#23
post #19

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http://www.thelocal.se/20100930/29334 "The Pirate Bay earned up to 35 million kronor ($5.2 million) in advertising revenue from the file sharing website" (2010, already)

The Pirate Bay earned up to 35 million kronor ($5.2 million) in advertising revenue from the file sharing website, >>>film companies maintained And literally the second paragraph in your link: The claims were dismissed by Jonas Nilsson, legal counsel for one of the defendants, Fredrik Neij. Nilsson argued that instead of being a profits earner most of the work to keep The Pirate Bay running had been undertaken on a v…

Well, you can say that "the prosecutor said this and the defendant counsel said this", but at the end of the day we know that the four operators of the site were convicted by Stockholm district court on 17 April 2009 and sentenced to one year in jail each and a total of 30 million Swedish kronor (approximately US$3.5 million, €2.7 million) in fines and damages.

So I guess the court believed the prosecutor.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#24
post #4

In the last 8 years the pirate bay hasn't changed? It went open source and embraced magnet links entirely. Making it so that almost nothing was being hosted on the server itself. You can download the entire pirate bay in 90MB to put one up of your own. There are hundreds of pirate bays all over the world running on almost nothing allowing everyone to download the same things at the same speeds. [edit: It didn't go op…

hey, I am the author of the 90MB archive.

I had to do it manually, it was in no way done by TPB, it took a looong time because their anti-DDoS systems were blocking me, and it was in no way open source. (it was endorsed by TPB though, in the way they told me they like it)

And I stopped updating it in early 2013.

I thought about updating it regularly and putting it somewhere, but that stroke me as slightly more illegal than what I did before, plus I had other priorities (mainly finishing the damn school).

I wished TPB did something like wikipedia (daily XML archives), but they don't.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#25
post #4

In the last 8 years the pirate bay hasn't changed? It went open source and embraced magnet links entirely. Making it so that almost nothing was being hosted on the server itself. You can download the entire pirate bay in 90MB to put one up of your own. There are hundreds of pirate bays all over the world running on almost nothing allowing everyone to download the same things at the same speeds. [edit: It didn't go op…

Btw, can someone explain to me how they can have ads?

I mean, if US is willing to go far enough that they seem to have obvious influence on other countries and these countries punish these individuals, when normally they don't(or so I think), surely they very interested in taking down TPB or finding out who runs it?

And they had ads when there were no bitcoin etc.

So what I'm wondering is that, if I were interested in putting my ads on TPB, I would have to put/give money to somewhere/someone.

So if I'm working at NSA, why I don't just go to tpb, look at what companies they advertise on tpb, then look at where that companies sent their money. Surely we are not talking about $10-15 here, at some point they should see "yeaah, you guys seem to give these guys $xxxx(more x?) each month" or "$xxxxx once, why?"

To transfer that amount of money I can send via my bank, or transfer it via my personal account. I can use several layers inbetween, and use other people also. Maybe I won't even take money from company but do it personally. I can make it incredibly hard to be found.

But looking at how TOR services seem to go down and the lengths they go to make sure they don't stay alive, surely if NSA actually wanted they could track them down? Surely NSA doesn't lack the power to see our transactions and surely they don't lack the power to personally track basically everyone related with whoever gave the ads. Or maybe they do, but they still know what companies TPB advertises.

Anyway, if they are not very careful, I could find who currently runs TPB. and if they are, I still might have a shot.

Or maybe I'm not interested in finding out who runs TPB, just taking or down/making it harder. Why I(government) don't go to these porn sites and say "well, if we keep seeing your ads there we will have to do something". They did threaten yahoo and others without legal basis(or so I think), why stop now?

Then considering they can't easily find new companies to take ads from considering what happened to the first 3 companies that gave ads, no one sane would want to work with tpb, and they couldn't buy or maintain servers, then finally in current form they would go down.

Of course some methods to keep it alive(fake ads, donations etc.) will be found, and of course someone else will just create a new one but they seem to be interested in making tpb very hard to maintain, take it down even if it is only for days and make sure no one in their right mind would want to create a torrent site.

Now, why I'm wrong and why they don't do just what I said?

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#26
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Pirate Bay earned up to 35 million kronor ($5.2 million) in advertising revenue from the file sharing website, >>>film companies maintained And literally the second paragraph in your link: The claims were dismissed by Jonas Nilsson, legal counsel for one of the defendants, Fredrik Neij. Nilsson argued that instead of being a profits earner most of the work to keep The Pirate Bay running had been undertaken on a v…

Well, you can say that "the prosecutor said this and the defendant counsel said this", but at the end of the day we know that the four operators of the site were convicted by Stockholm district court on 17 April 2009 and sentenced to one year in jail each and a total of 30 million Swedish kronor (approximately US$3.5 million, €2.7 million) in fines and damages. So I guess the court believed the prosecutor.

>So I guess the court believed the prosecutor.

How do you figure? Their fine was not based on their advertising revenue was it?

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#27
post #6

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The fact that it's hosting torrents in flat files or in database rows seems like a minor technical difference to me. Apart from that, the same broken UI doesn't seem to have changed much in the past 8 years. I didn't know that TPB was open source... surprised that the community didn't try to improve the UX a bit.

Actually, there is a difference between hosting the files and just linking to them, and is by no means a "minor technical difference". Although to be fair I think it was done not only to increase portability but also to decrease legal targeting, the latter of which seems like it didn't pan out in the end though may have thwarted some legal efforts along the way.

>Actually, there is a difference between hosting the files and just linking to them, and is by no means a "minor technical difference".

From the technical side of showing the torrent/magnet links on the TPB page, it's indeed a minor difference.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

#28
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

500 Internal Server Error If the page loads that doesn't mean it works correctly.

Works for me: http://i.imgur.com/GD3rZuv.png but it wasn't earlier. Got the same error.

No, you won't be able to search for anything. That site just proxies your searches to thepiratebay.se, which is down.
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