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Google’s Abandoned Library of 700 Million Titles: Usenet

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Re: Google’s Abandoned Library of 700 Million Titles: Usenet

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Time to take back Usenet and build another archive independently of Google, somehow.

The biggest problem would seem to be either liberating the raw data from Google or finding someone who still has readable archives.

Don't some ISPs still have their own USENET servers?

Re: Google’s Abandoned Library of 700 Million Titles: Usenet

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post #41
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest problem would seem to be either liberating the raw data from Google or finding someone who still has readable archives.

Don't some ISPs still have their own USENET servers?

Those servers only store a few weeks of posts at most; they won't help you recover anything from 1981-2008.

Re: Google’s Abandoned Library of 700 Million Titles: Usenet

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It looks like they already fixed the search. I can find my own embarrassing posts from when I was a teenager. I had forgotten how excited I was about computer games. :P

They may claim that they've fixed it, but they haven't.

Try to search for old posts by USENET group and with a fixed e-mail address - it will not work properly. What doesn't work:

- search by e-mail address,

- search by USENET group, e.g., comp.lang.perl.misc,

- you must log in to get any reasonable functionality.

Why don't they give it back to the Deja people along with sufficient funding? They were doing it just fine, thank you. Wouldn't worry me if _all_ Google Groups posts were trashed and USENET restored to it's primary role.

USENET was once the most important Internet resource to me and the only one I would have paid for. It's been seriously damaged under Google's reign. Heads really, really should roll over this.

Re: Google’s Abandoned Library of 700 Million Titles: Usenet

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I had noticed problems a few weeks ago, but it seems to be working today. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.hypertext/search?group=al... And the advanced search always worked and still works better. http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=&sitesearch=g...

Thanks for the tip about advanced search. That brought back memories of a decade ago when I was very active on Usenet. All the messages I was expecting to find appear to be there.

Re: Google’s Abandoned Library of 700 Million Titles: Usenet

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Google Groups used to be a great service when they first took over Deja News, but things have been gradually deteriorating ever since. They used to be read-only; now, they allow anyone with a fake account to post. They are a huge source of Usenet spam. I have been kill-filing posts from Google Groups for about a year. It's not a pleasant thing to do, since there still are quite a few people who I like to read but onl…

It might be worth it to point out that a lot of projects' mailing lists are mirrored on Usenet. I'm not 100% sure if any or all of them accept posts from Usenet, but I'm fairly certain that at least a few of them do.

i.e. I believe that comp.lang.python is the same as the python-list mailing list.

Re: Google’s Abandoned Library of 700 Million Titles: Usenet

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post #24
post #6

Time to take back Usenet and build another archive independently of Google, somehow.

The biggest problem would seem to be either liberating the raw data from Google or finding someone who still has readable archives.

When I had a Giganews account I looked at how far back their text groups went, and I think they went back to 2003, but that was a couple of years ago. Might be worth looking at EasyNews or Giganews, at least for more recent history.

Re: Google’s Abandoned Library of 700 Million Titles: Usenet

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post #5

When google first put the archive online, I could find 100's of posts I made in the 80's. Now, there are a few 10's. At this point, I don't even use the search for old stuff, assuming that the bits have just rotted so much that it's not worth it.

You mean when they first bought out Deja, right?

Yep.

Re: Google’s Abandoned Library of 700 Million Titles: Usenet

#49

A bit off-topic, but I just read the features list for mosaic ( http://groups.google.com/group/alt.hypertext/msg/7fde2f6d4d5... ) and was really surprised how close it is to browsers nowadays. The only serious improvements that current firefox has over that mosaic are: tabs, JS and blocking stuff. (I'm not counting stuff that's just a simple improvement - like rendering new html+css, ability to use icons for favourit…

What exactly were you hoping for?

Re: Google’s Abandoned Library of 700 Million Titles: Usenet

#50

I used to participate in Usenet a lot, back in the mid 90s. Rather stupidly, I set the no archive header ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-No-Archive ) on all my posts. Now I can only find myself quoted in replies. Shame, really.

Shame? You think I want my offspring to know what my 20 year old-self posted on Usenet? Does anyone? :-)
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