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Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

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You're being downvoted because that's not how cryptanalytic research works.

You are missing my point, privacy from data brokers and advertising industry :)

Ah, so you mean the kind of "privacy" that's both the easiest to complain about and has the most minimal impact on your life?

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#122

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> it is not part of governmental control Isn't that a pretty dangerous assertion in itself? It's a private company running private servers that you have no control over and no ability to tell whether or not an external entity has accessed your data.

Whom should I be afraid of? A private company who or my government?

Yes.

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Pavel seems to be a great person, building a gift to society & mankind. He puts the users/people before himself, stands behind their rights and believes in strong ideals such as freedom of speech and privacy. I don't think you can say the same about many other internet companies/services. If you look at his previous company VK. It is by far a superior experience to Facebook, given how intuitive, fast and sleek it is.…

Are you insane? VK has horrendous UX (best and simplest example: Browsing through image galleries resizes the image viewer so that the next and previous buttons constantly move) And they call it a Facebook clone because it was a direct copy of the Facebook UI, and while Facebook has innovated and polished, VK has been stuck in the same decade-old look and feel. It may be faster to use in Russia because of geographica…

>best and simplest example: Browsing through image galleries resizes the image viewer so that the next and previous buttons constantly move

Click on the image.

Re: Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

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Whom should I be afraid of? A private company who or my government?

Both, really - there's not really anything the Government can do that a large enough company or collection of companies can't - but the point is that you have no proof that this company is not either wilfully collaborating with or being forced to collaborate with the Government.

Microsoft provides users' information to Turkey. Telegram haven't done something similar, yet.

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Both, really - there's not really anything the Government can do that a large enough company or collection of companies can't - but the point is that you have no proof that this company is not either wilfully collaborating with or being forced to collaborate with the Government.

Microsoft provides users' information to Turkey. Telegram haven't done something similar, yet.

> Telegram haven't done something similar.

As far as you know. Why would they publicise it if they did? How can you prove they've not been forced to?

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Whom should I be afraid of? A private company who or my government?

> Whom should I be afraid of? My government possibly controlling a private company or my government? FTFY

Not in my case. Neither Turkey nor Bulgaria has control over Telegram. Howaver these countries have good relatoins with Microsoft, you know we buy Windows you give user information stuff. That may happened to me in the past or not I don't want to mentoin it here but I have 0 tolerance to companies somehow related with Microsft like Facebook, WhatsApp, Skype etc.

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Microsoft provides users' information to Turkey. Telegram haven't done something similar, yet.

> Telegram haven't done something similar. As far as you know. Why would they publicise it if they did? How can you prove they've not been forced to?

So Turkey or Bulgaria will ask for data, Twlegram will give it, and these governments will say to shut up or we will fly to arrest you in whatever country you live and kick you into jail and we will get your money out of the banks, doesn't matter in what country it is. Seems possible like if you give a million dollar. Not impossible, as far as you give such money. But the countries I have mentioned are not that rich.

Also if you look at the forums about justice and advocates etc you can see that Microsoft provides user data but not Google or Facebook (except very big and obvious crimes). But Microsoft, oh it is like your best enemy. So my point is that you will hear it (except spying) if it is a legal request.

Re: Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

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Pavel seems to be a great person, building a gift to society & mankind. He puts the users/people before himself, stands behind their rights and believes in strong ideals such as freedom of speech and privacy. I don't think you can say the same about many other internet companies/services. If you look at his previous company VK. It is by far a superior experience to Facebook, given how intuitive, fast and sleek it is.…

> Images load 3 times as fast

What are your HTTPS settings?

Facebook defaults to HTTPS, VK does not.

Re: Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

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I met and talked with Pavel last year in St. Petersburg at the VK office and I found him very curious, humble, and quiet. I enjoyed it a lot and I appreciate his sense of humor. In fact he showed me their conference room, which is decorated like a medieval torture chamber: http://tinyurl.com/nm7pqt2 We didn't get into the details but I appreciate that he didn't take the standard approach to plain old conference rooms…

Not sure if this was meant as a sarcasm, but quirky conference room design (or names, or names) are the new standard in corporate spaces

http://www.metropolismag.com/December-2013/Rooms-with-a-View...

http://fortune.com/2014/03/27/see-you-at-the-4-oclock-standu...

https://blog.theidealists.com/rad-spaces/rad-spaces-conferen...

http://indohomedesign.net/great-googles-office-in-pittsburgh...

You'd be hard-pressed to go around Valley and find a company that does not feature an incredibly inventive conference space. Even IBM's Almaden location has some.

Re: Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

#130

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You are missing my point, privacy from data brokers and advertising industry :)

Ah, so you mean the kind of "privacy" that's both the easiest to complain about and has the most minimal impact on your life?

That is really subjective. People having all sorts of private info about me is a big deal for me.
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