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Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by amandine »

qznc wrote: post #213
amandine wrote: post #160

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But Layer will host it for you: you give them your data. That's more what the open standard http://matrix.org is trying to do: basically learn on what is missing from XMPP to be a better fit to today's communication: no single point of control, synced history, groupd chat as first class citizen... It aims to be pragmatic, with a distributed architecture and end to end encryption. Anyone can build a client or server (…

Looks good. It actually sees the problem with XMPP at least.

Thanks, we've started with XMPP, like many others, but it was not fitting our purpose, like for others, so instead of building our proprietary protocol (like others did) we tried to build on what we learnt and provide something others would like to use. The beta is almost feature complete now and we need enlighten feedbacks to make it fit most purposes and something everyone would find useful!

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Post by dzohrob »

Can anyone explain to me what "full democracy" means in this context? From the page:

"It’s on. Wire is perfect for staying connected with any group. Create a conversation, name it as you wish, and add people — your groups will be taking off whether they’re about work, family or fun. Oh, and Wire groups are full democracy."

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Post by lesingerouge »

Having some slight experience in the publishing and content industry, any title that contains the word "killer" is for me a big fat sign for "bulls#$t". I will still pick trusted recommendations[1] over advertising any day.

[1] https://www.eff.org/secure-messaging-scorecard

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Post by feld »

rakoo wrote: post #38
MildlySerious wrote: post #31

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That's what Tox is aiming for. http://tox.im/

That's what XMPP is already doing.

XMPP is a rat's nest of extensions from which everyone picks a handful to implement creating a very incompatible ecosystem.

Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by feld »

Aardwolf wrote: post #228

Why no download for Linux? Why is this always still happening? If you want to make this thing really everywhere, then imho priority numbero 1 should be to rely on libraries that work everywhere - not just the latest version of a select few OSes. It'll be easier to maintain in the future as well.

It's not year of Linux on the desktop yet, and never will be. Sorry.

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Post by skrebbel »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #156

Am I such an outlier if I use Skype for business, not for leisure? I have clients on three continents and every single one used Skype to communicate about the project. Skype was generally running on every machine as a "watercooler chat"/IRC replacement. Just open groups, give them names and pin them to the sidebar. Done. So I really expected this to be more secure, more portable and LESS designer-driven. Who is even…

We're builing that. Give it a month or so, will spam HN. Want to beta test? :-)

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Post by justsid »

jeremyswank wrote: post #211
ClashTheBunny wrote: post #206

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Processing foreign data is just as dangerous as processing foreign code. Don't lull yourself into complacency just because you have NoScript when your JPEG library is probably less sandboxed and audited than your JavaScript virtual machine. The whole idea of the Von Neumann architecture is that code is data and data is code. It is advantageous when you trust everyone, but now that you can trust noöne? What to do?

noöne? really? when did 'no one' become insufficiently clear?

Probably a typo. ‘Ö’ and ‘O’ a very close on a German keyboard.

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Post by neokrish »

amandine wrote: post #160
neokrish wrote: post #121

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I think Layer ( https://layer.com/ ) is what you're looking for. The Verge ran an article about Layer ( http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5173726/you-have-too-many-... ), on how they're attempting to stop the fragmentation on mobile messaging. Last but not the least, it's being built by Jeremie Miller, who invented XMPP.

But Layer will host it for you: you give them your data. That's more what the open standard http://matrix.org is trying to do: basically learn on what is missing from XMPP to be a better fit to today's communication: no single point of control, synced history, groupd chat as first class citizen... It aims to be pragmatic, with a distributed architecture and end to end encryption. Anyone can build a client or server (…

Nice! Didn't know about this until now. Will definitely check the project out. Looks good at first glance.

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Post by andor »

graeme wrote: post #187
morganvachon wrote: post #159

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> We've moved from irc, to ICQ, to Microsoft Messenger, to ..., to Skype, to (what's hot now) You forgot Hangouts, which works on Android, iOS, and the desktop. It supports text, voice, and video, just like Wire. Its only negative from my personal viewpoint is no Windows Phone support, but that OS is the punchline of many jokes these days. There's also Slack for businesses, non-profits, and private groups (my local I…

>You forgot Hangouts, which works on Android, iOS, and the desktop. It supports text, voice, and video, just like Wire. Its only negative from my personal viewpoint is no Windows Phone support, but that OS is the punchline of many jokes these days. Have you ever tried to start a Hangout with a non-technical user? It's a nightmare. I do remote tutoring. Skype is easy. Everyone has it, you add the username, and call. H…

If all your students have a Google account and an email address, it's rather easy:

1. Open https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_ to create a new Hangout

2. Copy the permanent link that is shown in the dialog, or enter mail addresses to invite.

3. Students open the link. A login is required to join the Hangout, this could be improved...

Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by e_proxus »

secfirstmd wrote: post #114

So in the age of Edward Snowden this is all they say about encryption... "Are Messages And Calls Encrypted? Yes. Wire uses industry-standard encryption on all of your Wire messages and calls." "WHAT SECURITY MEASURES DO WE TAKE TO SAFEGUARD YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION? We are concerned about safeguarding the confidentiality of your information. We provide physical, electronic, and procedural safeguards to protect infor…

Judging from their FAQ, it seems that they encrypt voice end-to-end, but messages only between the client and the server: https://support.wire.com/hc/en-us/articles/203122500-Are-mes...

They have features like syncing the read status of messages, so I assume their server knows about all messages and conversations (although maybe not the contents if encrypted properly).

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