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Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by neokrish »

blueskin_ wrote: post #13
NullReference wrote: post #4

"What we need is another messaging app" said nobody, ever. It looks pretty, but this is yet another app in the long list of "Skype killers" or "Voice/video/text" messaging. It seems like it's the default goto for anyone that can't think of something more interesting these days.

Agreed. What we need is a protocol people can make clients for. With end to end encryption and PFS, of course.

I think Layer (https://layer.com/) is what you're looking for. The Verge ran an article about Layer (http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5173726/you-have-too-many-...), on how they're attempting to stop the fragmentation on mobile messaging. Last but not the least, it's being built by Jeremie Miller, who invented XMPP.

Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by Intermernet »

sspiff wrote: post #18
NullReference wrote: post #4

"What we need is another messaging app" said nobody, ever. It looks pretty, but this is yet another app in the long list of "Skype killers" or "Voice/video/text" messaging. It seems like it's the default goto for anyone that can't think of something more interesting these days.

Exactly. Right now, I have installed on my phone: * Standard text messaging app, for almost everyone. * Google Hangouts, which is a pain to remove and always logs in behind my back. I don't want to chat on my phone, it's just a nuisance. (I wish people would stop talking to me through Hangouts, honestly) * Viber, with a single contact. * LINE, with a single contact. I don't have WhatsApp or Snapchat or whatever, but…

I know this will probably cause dissent, but I think the time of Google (now Apache) Wave may have arrived :-) XMPP based (but hideously complicated) and can still do more than any other "chat" system out there that I've seen.

http://incubator.apache.org/wave/

https://github.com/apache/incubator-wave

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Post by grimman »

coldtea wrote: post #103
NullReference wrote: post #4

"What we need is another messaging app" said nobody, ever. It looks pretty, but this is yet another app in the long list of "Skype killers" or "Voice/video/text" messaging. It seems like it's the default goto for anyone that can't think of something more interesting these days.

> "What we need is another messaging app" said nobody, ever. The usual negative HN top post. I have to disagree. We've moved from irc, to ICQ, to Microsoft Messenger, to ..., to Skype, to (what's hot now), so somehow all those people really DID want another messaging app and even adopted one. > It looks pretty, but this is yet another app in the long list of "Skype killers" or "Voice/video/text" messaging. Most of th…

> so somehow all those people really DID want another messaging app and even adopted one.

Very disingenuous. In terms of ICQ, they were just early to market, had a competent client and... a deeply flawed method of identification. Messenger? Rolled out with Windows, just like certain other software that caused a bit of a stink in courtrooms at one point. Leverage. AOL did the same thing, pretty much.

As for Skype... it did voice competently, and more importantly did so easily and at a crucial point in time. Just like ICQ once did.

> Most of the Skype killers are either crap or crippled in other ways (e.g. Facetime being Apple only).

Absolutely. But Skype, according to most people I speak to and voice my concerns (ie. people to whom I whine) regarding the latest problem with Skype definitely echo my sentiment. Skype isn't good... it's merely acceptable. But there is no realistic option.

For my little niche there's definitely an opening for a new voice comm package, but "they" will have to raise the bar a lot if they want wide adoption.

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Post by microtonal »

graeme wrote: post #117
coldtea wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "What we need is another messaging app" said nobody, ever. The usual negative HN top post. I have to disagree. We've moved from irc, to ICQ, to Microsoft Messenger, to ..., to Skype, to (what's hot now), so somehow all those people really DID want another messaging app and even adopted one. > It looks pretty, but this is yet another app in the long list of "Skype killers" or "Voice/video/text" messaging. Most of th…

I've been in Brazil for the past five weeks. EVERYONE uses whatsapp, because SMS is expensive. And this all happened in the past couple of years or so, because that's when smartphones became widespread. I have never been asked my phone number. I've only been asked my "whatsapp". Make a good enough messaging app, and you can win an entire country. Or the world.

I have never been asked my phone number. I've only been asked my "whatsapp".

But your "whatsapp" is your phone number.

Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by vog »

alandarev wrote: post #52

Skype killer? Granted most Skype users are Windows PC users, how an application not available for Windows can threaten Skype?

While I agree that "Skype killer" is a hyperbole, I guess the idea is that the "Windows PC" people will switch to using their smart phone instead. Also, there is a "Browser - coming soon" button, indicating that they do target larger computers in a portable way.

Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by nnnnni »

graeme wrote: post #117
coldtea wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "What we need is another messaging app" said nobody, ever. The usual negative HN top post. I have to disagree. We've moved from irc, to ICQ, to Microsoft Messenger, to ..., to Skype, to (what's hot now), so somehow all those people really DID want another messaging app and even adopted one. > It looks pretty, but this is yet another app in the long list of "Skype killers" or "Voice/video/text" messaging. Most of th…

I've been in Brazil for the past five weeks. EVERYONE uses whatsapp, because SMS is expensive. And this all happened in the past couple of years or so, because that's when smartphones became widespread. I have never been asked my phone number. I've only been asked my "whatsapp". Make a good enough messaging app, and you can win an entire country. Or the world.

Did they ever fix the massive security hole(s?) in whatsapp?

Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by kashif »

AhtiK wrote: post #119

Anyone who is interested in OTR (off the record) and peer to peer encryption, Wire is not for you. Please see https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/software.php for suggestions which might be reliable as of today. Everyone else who feels good about keeping their messages safely stored for later inspection, use Wire or any other chat client that "looks beautiful", "is pure" and blends yt videos nicely into your feed. EDIT: Do no…

For off the record try - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.hushes

Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by ugdev »

Actually it is not that hard to create a better product than Skype. Skype sucks in so many ways that i wouldn't know where to beginn. Exchange developers, exchange the designer and the UI team. Hate it - but use it every single day.
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