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Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Re: Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Post by lmm »

ngrilly wrote: post #447
lmm wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lennart didn't just submit the code and put it out there. He lobbied other projects to hard-depend on it, and lobbied distros to adopt it. Systemd didn't succeed where less poisonous equivalents failed because it was technically superior (it isn't), it succeeded because of shady back-room politics.

Let's say you're right. What kind of "political" leverage Lennard had to convince distros to use systemd?

All he would've needed was the support of RedHat management, after that everything falls into place: most Gnome contributors work for RedHat, so they can convince Gnome to follow a particular direction and hard-depend on systemd. Then most distributions are under pressure from their userbase to support Gnome (because of a legacy of politics and FUD about the KDE license, because a minimally-configurable environment is popular with the kind of large, inflexible organization that buys expensive support contracts, and because it's actually quite good software) and are therefore also obliged to hard-depend on systemd.

It's in RedHat's interest for software that's currently portable to FreeBSD or especially to Solaris to become tied to Linux. This wouldn't be the first time RedHat has adopted anti-opensource methods out of fear of Oracle - compare their policy of deliberately obfuscating the history of their kernel source.

Re: Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Post by vidarh »

feld wrote: post #460
vidarh wrote: post #455

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It's an unfair comparison in any case: DNS is "trivial" to keep up compared to even small fractions of Facebook and Google's infrastructure. As long as a sufficient fraction of servers at a sufficient fraction of Verisigns clusters has an uncorrupted set of data and is able to serve responses, Verisigns TLD zones remain up. Pretty much the only thing that can go wrong in that case, assuming you have safeguarded the i…

It's equally trivial if you serve your web infrastructure off of load balanced caches.

Sort of (ignoring that web browsers don't retry failed requests), if all you are serving is static/cacheable content.

Which excludes the vast majority of functionality of Google/Facebook, and most other major web properties.

Re: Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Post by orionblastar »

pekk wrote: post #420
orionblastar wrote: post #414

I think that SystemD is an attempt to put Linux on par with Mac OSX and Windows 8.X, and attempts to do that haven't worked in the past. Like Canonical changing Ubuntu to use Unity and Mir, so that it was easier to use on tablets and modern PCs. It just doesn't seem to work and it drove me to Lubuntu and use LDXE with an XP like Start Menu UI. Ubuntu doesn't use SystemD yet, but I got a feeling it will. I am download…

Which Ubuntu release did you find to be using Mir as a default?

I think it was on a tablet, not on the desktop by default yet.

It is kind of confusing.

Re: Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Post by ngrilly »

lmm wrote: post #461
ngrilly wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say you're right. What kind of "political" leverage Lennard had to convince distros to use systemd?

All he would've needed was the support of RedHat management, after that everything falls into place: most Gnome contributors work for RedHat, so they can convince Gnome to follow a particular direction and hard-depend on systemd. Then most distributions are under pressure from their userbase to support Gnome (because of a legacy of politics and FUD about the KDE license, because a minimally-configurable environment i…

Thanks for the explanation. I never thought about this before. It makes senses, but it is scary. I hope you're wrong. :)
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