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Re: Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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Post by mavhc »

Ntrails wrote: post #12
mavhc wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty simple really, co2 causes heating, co2 is increasing, increase in co2 is from fossil fuels.

Except CO2 from fossil fuels aren't even the largest contribution to "greenhouse gasses" that can be attributed to humans. Climate change is inevitable. It's happened before many times in the history of the earth, and will happen again. The behaviour of man and it's resulting emissions are largely agreed to have been impactful on the rate of change. However, I've seen statisticians and scientists poking rational hole…

Seems to be the largest to me, most increased radiative forcing is due to co2, and most co2 is from the energy sector, which is mostly fossil fuels. Which matches up with the change the isotope ratios.

Re: Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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Post by Gravityloss »

badgersandjam wrote: post #54
Gravityloss wrote: post #53

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So, if we continue the thought experiment, and say thousands of people have been making observations of the comet for five years and have come to roughly 50% impact probability estimate, with multiple independent methods. And that impact would likely kill maybe a billion people. And you say it is unacceptable for them to advocate doing anything? http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risks/a410777.html Current impact risks overview…

That's not what I'm saying. I can't make it much clearer than: a) suddenly out of the blue, a Ford Transit mutates into a toaster. b) someone is "pretty sure it is related to the impending comet impact". c) Everyone goes YAY SCIENCE!!! Sorry but derision is the only thing left. It's not science, it's religion. a) suddenly out of the blue someone delivers a load of fish. b) Some guy doesn't notice this and goes "prett…

Ok, I thought you categorically opposed scientists being activists.

I do agree that some things are perhaps too easily reported or assumed to be caused by climate change when there is not much evidence to support that (yet).

Re: Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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Post by narrator »

narrator wrote: post #13
gd1 wrote: post #2

Clicked link. Hit Ctrl-F. Typed "clima". Saw this: "I totally think climate change is involved," Lahner says. "I just don’t have evidence yet." Closed tab.

Rules of thumb in modern American political discourse: 1. The reason for the problem is always climate change, otherwise there is no reason. For example, credit bubbles, rising autism rates and people in other countries that don't like us happen spontaneously all by themselves, unless they are caused by climate change. 2. The solution for any problem, including climate change, is always to spend more money. Especiall…

Hmm... Should have appended a /s to the end for people who didn't get the joke.

Re: Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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Post by Ntrails »

jdhendrickson wrote: post #26
Ntrails wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except CO2 from fossil fuels aren't even the largest contribution to "greenhouse gasses" that can be attributed to humans. Climate change is inevitable. It's happened before many times in the history of the earth, and will happen again. The behaviour of man and it's resulting emissions are largely agreed to have been impactful on the rate of change. However, I've seen statisticians and scientists poking rational hole…

I've linked a short well made video below which addresses your arguments. TLDW Just because man's emissions are relatively small in comparison to the over all natural emissions does not mean they don't affect things. I implore you, (as you seem a reasonable fellow who values science) to give it a watch and see if you still feel the same way. I'm willing to watch or read any counter argument you care to link if you wi…

Youtube is blocked at work, but my understanding was that the mass farming of cattle and the methane they produce was as impactful as the CO2 attributed to fossil fuels in terms of increasing greenhouse gasses.

Some googling suggests I am wrong on that though as they claim agriculture is responsible for just 18% of the greenhouse gas (of course one gets wildly differing values depending where you look).

My comment wasn't meant to imply that fossil fuels/CO2 isn't relevant, but it's not the whole story. I was clearly wrong as to the extent of agricultural impact :)

As for the rest of it, I don't deny climate change. I don't pretend that humans have no impact the rate of change. I get uncomfortable with the way it's a "cause", by the way a statistician who questions methodology is attacked not answered etc etc. It makes me doubt the numbers, not the underlying principles (which are experimentally demonstrable)

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Post by spainispain »

jmnicolas wrote: post #3
gd1 wrote: post #2

Clicked link. Hit Ctrl-F. Typed "clima". Saw this: "I totally think climate change is involved," Lahner says. "I just don’t have evidence yet." Closed tab.

So what ? He didn't say man made climate change, just climate change. You don't have to be a genius to see the climate is changing. Now for the root cause, I don't know, but human pollution is certainly not helping.

And you don't have to be a genius to agree that The King is still alive.

The point: "I totally think climate change is involved," Lahner says. "I just don’t have evidence yet."

Translation: "I disguise my very personal opinion as a scientific postulation" :-P

Crap.

Re: Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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Post by spainispain »

dang wrote: post #60
badgersandjam wrote: post #56

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You'd make a good politician because you make a bad human now with all that word twisting.

Personal attacks are not allowed on Hacker News.

Let's see if it's true, Mr. Torquemada. :-P
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