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Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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Re: Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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Clicked link. Hit Ctrl-F. Typed "clima". Saw this: "I totally think climate change is involved," Lahner says. "I just don’t have evidence yet." Closed tab.

So what ? He didn't say man made climate change, just climate change.

You don't have to be a genius to see the climate is changing.

Now for the root cause, I don't know, but human pollution is certainly not helping.

Re: Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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Clicked link. Hit Ctrl-F. Typed "clima". Saw this: "I totally think climate change is involved," Lahner says. "I just don’t have evidence yet." Closed tab.

You missed a really goid article about sea stars wasting from unknown illness. Climate change is mentioned in passing.

Also just because it is related to climate change doesn't mean it is bad...

Re: Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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Clicked link. Hit Ctrl-F. Typed "clima". Saw this: "I totally think climate change is involved," Lahner says. "I just don’t have evidence yet." Closed tab.

Clicked link. Read entire article. Saw this at end:

" ... He hesitates to chalk up the wasting event to climate change. But he does worry all the same. ..."

Closed tab with still open mind.

Re: Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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Clicked link. Hit Ctrl-F. Typed "clima". Saw this: "I totally think climate change is involved," Lahner says. "I just don’t have evidence yet." Closed tab.

So what ? He didn't say man made climate change, just climate change. You don't have to be a genius to see the climate is changing. Now for the root cause, I don't know, but human pollution is certainly not helping.

It's pretty simple really, co2 causes heating, co2 is increasing, increase in co2 is from fossil fuels.

Re: Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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Clicked link. Hit Ctrl-F. Typed "clima". Saw this: "I totally think climate change is involved," Lahner says. "I just don’t have evidence yet." Closed tab.

Not sure why you're downvoted. That's bad science regardless of how you look at it. The use of the word "climate" in a quote is a big indicator of bad science as it happens to pay the bills and make a good quote in the press before all other concerns at the moment.

If it turns up in a paper at the end and is peer reviewed, then it has some credence but before that, nada.

Feynman is rolling in his grave again...

Edit: if you downvote, explain yourself or you're a coward and a hypocrite.

Re: Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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Clicked link. Hit Ctrl-F. Typed "clima". Saw this: "I totally think climate change is involved," Lahner says. "I just don’t have evidence yet." Closed tab.

So what ? He didn't say man made climate change, just climate change. You don't have to be a genius to see the climate is changing. Now for the root cause, I don't know, but human pollution is certainly not helping.

So what? That's not science, that's religion. That is 'god of the gaps' stuff. I suppose we can add it to the list (http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm). Maybe the story was interesting, maybe it was important, whatever. I'm not reading it on principle if they're going to cross themselves and pray to their green god mid way through. There are a number of people like myself who would actually care about ecology/environmental issues if they weren't crowded out by absolute wank like that.

Re: Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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Clicked link. Hit Ctrl-F. Typed "clima". Saw this: "I totally think climate change is involved," Lahner says. "I just don’t have evidence yet." Closed tab.

Not sure why you're downvoted. That's bad science regardless of how you look at it. The use of the word "climate" in a quote is a big indicator of bad science as it happens to pay the bills and make a good quote in the press before all other concerns at the moment. If it turns up in a paper at the end and is peer reviewed, then it has some credence but before that, nada. Feynman is rolling in his grave again... Edit:…

It's bad, irresponsible science. And it's bad, irresponsible journalism to make it a giant orange pull quote.

"I think it's X. But I don't have any evidence yet."

If you don't have any evidence, you shouldn't be talking about it to a journalist. Who, quite predictably, is going to make a big deal out of it.

This sort of thing actively hurts the climate change cause. It's bad, and shouldn't be done.

Re: Starfish are dissolving up and down the West Coast

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So if starfish eat pretty much anything that filters water (muscles), what effect would the Fukushima Accident (March 11th, 2011) have on their radiation levels? Could such an event have triggered a mutation in the virus or could the starfish be hypersensitive to slightly higher background radiation?
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