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Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by Derbasti »

fdsary wrote: post #5

I'm pretty effective with vim, so much that other 'normal' editors like sublime & other modern gui editors make me feel a little crippled. That is a problem, because you need to be flexible about things in life. Has anyone succeeded in deliberately changing editors, even when not feeling like it's necessary? I'm especially curious how I could start using emacs, and actually get up to speed with it instead of using it…

> Has anyone succeeded in deliberately changing editors, even when not feeling like it's necessary? I'm especially curious how I could start using emacs, and actually get up to speed with it instead of using it as Notepad/TextEdit (as I would do if I started today)?

I used to use Textmate at the University. Then XCode at my first job. Then I learned Vim, since every hacker in the internet seemed to love it, the usual story... (big plus: many IDEs have very good Vim key bindings)

Then I simply wanted to know what Emacs would be like. I took a bit of a productivity hit for about a week or two, but not more. Over the next year or so I read the Emacs manual and dove deeply down the rabbit hole. It has been four years now. Somewhere along the way I picked up enough elisp to be dangerous.

TL;DR: Want to learn a new editor? Just do it. There's no magic to it. Do the tutorial, RTFM, take the short-term productivity hit.

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by stormbrew »

stormbrew wrote: post #63
Void_ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried using one of those IDEs written in Java?

This isn't an IDE. The comparable type of editor that's cross platform is probably sublime. Have you tried using that?

That said I wish I didn't have to choose from this pick any two triangle of open source vs. cross-platform vs. gui.

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by unicornporn »

Nice looking. But I can't use it as is now — it has no tabs/sidebar for more documents. TextWrangler FTW.

I actually run Notepad++ via Wine too for HTML. It's the only editor I've found that can expand and contract a hierarchy of *ML using plus and minus signs in the marginal of the editor. Difficult to explain, I guess you have to try it to understand.

It's indispensable and I can't be without it. I'd love to go native, but I haven't find an editor for OS X that does this.

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by TylerE »

mithrilskeleton wrote: post #105

The license is GPL v2; you might want to consider using “Version 2 of the GPL or any later version” as GPL v2 is unfortunately incompatible with the Apache license. Also, the GPL v3 is becoming more and more popular nowadays. This means you could keep the project under GPL v2, but people would have the option of using a later GPL version.

I've never liked this idea. What's to keep the FSF from adding a "you give us royalty-free rights to all your patents for eternity" as a clause in GPL v4?

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by tuhdo »

unicornporn wrote: post #154

Nice looking. But I can't use it as is now — it has no tabs/sidebar for more documents. TextWrangler FTW. I actually run Notepad++ via Wine too for HTML. It's the only editor I've found that can expand and contract a hierarchy of *ML using plus and minus signs in the marginal of the editor. Difficult to explain, I guess you have to try it to understand. It's indispensable and I can't be without it. I'd love to go nat…

I think what you described is code folding. Emacs/Vim has that too. And more to that. Look for the demos in my other answer in this thread.

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by jasonkester »

agilebyte wrote: post #41
archagon wrote: post #35

This is awesome, but I wish developers would charge for polished, full-featured software like this. The people who made this probably have full-time jobs; meanwhile, independent developers who want to break into this niche now have to compete with "free". This results in a market ruled by large corporations that can "subsidize" free software via the spare time of their employees. Maybe I'm just being too grouchy. Thi…

Well maybe that is the point. The developers get paid, somehow, so why do they need to get even more money? This way more people can use their software because it is free. (I don't know the developers)

Astounding. That's potentially the most harmful opinion a developer could possibly hold.

The single greatest benefit of having our skill set is that we are capable, in a way that few other people in the world are capable, of single handedly building products that we can sell for the kind of money that frees us from needing to work for other people. We can quite literally create our own destiny.

And you would throw that away.

I can't even begin to fathom why you would want to live in that world.

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by fredsted »

unicornporn wrote: post #154

Nice looking. But I can't use it as is now — it has no tabs/sidebar for more documents. TextWrangler FTW. I actually run Notepad++ via Wine too for HTML. It's the only editor I've found that can expand and contract a hierarchy of *ML using plus and minus signs in the marginal of the editor. Difficult to explain, I guess you have to try it to understand. It's indispensable and I can't be without it. I'd love to go nat…

TextWrangler and TextMate has it.

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by QuadDamaged »

archagon wrote: post #35

This is awesome, but I wish developers would charge for polished, full-featured software like this. The people who made this probably have full-time jobs; meanwhile, independent developers who want to break into this niche now have to compete with "free". This results in a market ruled by large corporations that can "subsidize" free software via the spare time of their employees. Maybe I'm just being too grouchy. Thi…

Try Chocolat then. It's not OSS and pretty close.

But I won't be using Chocolat anymore, after they pulled a bait-and-switch so that Version 2 can't be used without you paying for version 3.

Bad dev, no cookie.

Re: CotEditor – Text Editor for OS X

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Post by nl »

jasonkester wrote: post #157
agilebyte wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well maybe that is the point. The developers get paid, somehow, so why do they need to get even more money? This way more people can use their software because it is free. (I don't know the developers)

Astounding. That's potentially the most harmful opinion a developer could possibly hold. The single greatest benefit of having our skill set is that we are capable, in a way that few other people in the world are capable, of single handedly building products that we can sell for the kind of money that frees us from needing to work for other people. We can quite literally create our own destiny. And you would throw th…

Perhaps somethings are more valuable than money to some?
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