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The Roots of Midlife Crisis

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Re: The Roots of Midlife Crisis

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Articles on 'happiness' are a staple on HN. We see Western fixations – such as obsessive individualism, technological fanaticism, and economic intoxication – as the height of human progress. Analyze everything with the scientific method regardless of the problem at hand( Mapping happiness to curves and parabolas. really?). We have tuned our minds into advanced scientific grooves but have an underdeveloped psychologic…

What's wrong with applying the scientific method to happiness? It's the best technique available for figuring stuff out. Do you have a better idea?

It's the paradox of happiness. Pursuing happiness as your goal in life is the one sure-fire way never to achieve it.

More than that, the cold, calculating, statistical logic of a utilitarian hedonism that you see so much of in a "scientific" approach to happiness, fails to account of the difference between kinds of happiness: Is it better to be a pig satisfied or a Socrates dissatisfied?

Scientism is what transforms a beautiful piece of music into lifeless vibration frequencies. There's more to reality than what a mere scientific description can tell you.

Re: The Roots of Midlife Crisis

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Basically "midlife crisis" is a way for people who are married with families to put down anyone having more fun or experiencing more freedom than them.

I'm married with family. It is something else: You need to turn yourself into a corporate-or-other slave to pay off the mortgage, cars, save for kids' schools, etc. Absolutely no wonder that in "poor" countries they are happier. Living in constant stress about the job, with huge financial obligation, not even seeing your kids and spouse except for weekends and a week vacation a year -- compare this to my parents gene…

Yeah, the whole "selling the vast majority of your life's time to something that doesn't matter" rings hollow very quickly.

The worst part is that some people don't see that there's any other way.

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I'm married with family. It is something else: You need to turn yourself into a corporate-or-other slave to pay off the mortgage, cars, save for kids' schools, etc. Absolutely no wonder that in "poor" countries they are happier. Living in constant stress about the job, with huge financial obligation, not even seeing your kids and spouse except for weekends and a week vacation a year -- compare this to my parents gene…

compare this to my parents generation in communistic (then) Poland -- no debt, guaranteed jobs, free housing. Do your parents tell you how much they miss that? My parents aren't from Soviet-era Poland, but I've never heard a citizen of the Soviet Bloc wax nostalgic about their time there.

I have. It surprised me a lot. Maybe it is because we tend to remember the good parts.

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A midlife crisis is simply when all your 'someday' bills are due. Someday I'll go back to school and get my masters, someday I will move to X place I'd prefer to live at, someday I will visit my old friends or relative, someday I will take the time to spend with my kids. All the things you promise yourself to get through the workday. Then in the span of about 5 years, those options all close at once. Too old to meani…

That's partly it. Sometimes another part is that you find yourself with the ability to do those things you wanted to do someday.

I always feel a bit sorry for guys in this age bracket who buy expensive sports cars, only to hear everybody call it a midlife crisis. Maybe they wanted a car like that since they were 18, and just couldn't afford it until now.

Personally I'm 48 and just resigned from my comfortable, well-paying job to spend a year on my own trying to build my own variation of Xanadu. Maybe it's a midlife crisis. But it's something I've wanted to do for over a decade, and I didn't feel financially comfortable doing it until now.

But at the same time, in the back of my mind I'm also thinking that if I don't do it soon, I won't ever do it, and I'll always wonder what might have been.

There's an alternative to guarding against desire because someday never happens, and that's to make it happen. Read that bedtime story, talk to that relative, get that masters, do that startup.

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What's wrong with applying the scientific method to happiness? It's the best technique available for figuring stuff out. Do you have a better idea?

It's the paradox of happiness. Pursuing happiness as your goal in life is the one sure-fire way never to achieve it. More than that, the cold, calculating, statistical logic of a utilitarian hedonism that you see so much of in a "scientific" approach to happiness, fails to account of the difference between kinds of happiness: Is it better to be a pig satisfied or a Socrates dissatisfied? Scientism is what transforms…

That sounds like a load to me. Pursuing happiness is often a good way to achieve it. There's no reason science can't account for different kinds of happiness, nor is there any reason science can't account for the beauty of music.

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How old are you? People's views do change. “The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life.” ― Muhammad Ali

So if I thought that at 20 religion was a farce and I still think that at 50, have I wasted my life. In the mean time I have learned and discovered lots about the universe. Have I still wasted my life. And also, I still dislike having kids the same as when I was 20 as I do now that I'm 50. I guess I wan't to know what point are you exactly trying to make? People may never change their mind about having kids and yet s…

If you hadn't learned and discovered lots about the universe it would have been a waste.

He's not saying all of your views have to change over 30 years. Just that they shouldn't all be exactly the same.

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Okay I haven't read the article but I don't need to. I can tell you in pure and simple terms what midlife crisis is:

It's the time when we confront, what I like to call, the reality of biology.

That it's all downhill from that point onwards no matter what we do. Every birthday is in reality a 'sadder' birthday instead of a happy one, although we never put it that way because for us first-world denizens, political correctness is the utmost virtue. It's our "all the king's men" moment! All your riches, your amazing family and friends, your lifetime of successes are sooner or later going down the drain for you and there's no way out. And this is after you already had gotten used to the idea that you're not "young" anymore, a realization for which you paid a heavy emotional and psychological price and then told yourself "it's going to be fine from now on".

And some of the typical reactions to the crisis are easily explained away if you think this way. Either you conclude about the meaninglessness of it all and become irresposible in one way or another, socially, maybe in terms of health, etc. Or you submit yourself to it and start thinking of yourself as "a coach for the next generation", for your children, for the youth around you, what have you.

However there is a kind of reaction that almost no one adopts. And it's encapsulated well by Dylan Thomas's poem, 'do not go gentle into the good night; rage, rage against the dying of the light'.

Essentially the problem with the submissive approach is, it's too much of a coincidence that we get used to the idea as soon as it hits us. We realize we lost our youth, and we get used to the idea. Then we realize that sooner or later we're going to loose our existence, and we again get used to the idea.

(A nice video related to the ideas I've expressed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb-OYmHVchQ)

So what is this "third" reaction?

It's the realization that biology is a scaffolding on top of the physics of reality. Biology does not dictate everything. Physics does. And if there is something that physics allows but biology doesn't, something can be done about it.

Luckily we're living in the second decade of the twenty first century. Much of what I say might not have made sense a hundred years ago, much less a thousand years ago. But we're here, now. And now is exciting and full of promise. The revolution of genetics, rejuvenation biotechnology, and nanotechnology, is opening new doors everyday, and as a result, blinding us to the glare of possibilities.

Except that most people find it off-putting. And that's where the coincidence I mentioned above plays its role. To a very good approximation, the whole world's population can easily be divided into two kinds; the ones who are (psychologically) unaware of their existential bummer, and the ones who are aware but are completely okay with it (because they got used to the idea almost at the moment it struck them). And when you try to shake them up, try to awaken them from their deep slumber of submissiveness, they feel offended. They feel being dragged out of their comfort zone without their will. And they end up resisting whatever you say, even when it might be in their best interest to support you.

I don't know how to conclude this comment but I'd say this, we're living in a very empowering era as of now (2014). We could choose to give one strong push as humanity and get rid of many of the shackles of biology. Or we could choose to prefer tradition and conservation and live many more decades with the idea that the reason the way things are is because it's natural, and because it's best, and because it's the way it's meant to be.

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A midlife crisis is simply when all your 'someday' bills are due. Someday I'll go back to school and get my masters, someday I will move to X place I'd prefer to live at, someday I will visit my old friends or relative, someday I will take the time to spend with my kids. All the things you promise yourself to get through the workday. Then in the span of about 5 years, those options all close at once. Too old to meani…

Things also start changing physically (physiognomy), for men as well as women.

Believe older people when they suggest you do some things before this happens.

And, make your own physical health a primary personal priority, to help minimize its impact.

Too many people and places will, directly or indirectly, try to get you to place them first (at a corresponding expense/detriment to yourself and your own health). This is a slippery slope.

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'Cause before you know it, it's done. Nothin' but babies and memories. You hear me? Babies and memories. Smile, sweetheart. Give us a smile. Say "Mojo." Say "Mojo." - Friday Night Lights I wonder how much of the concept of a "Mid-Life Crisis" is based on economic stability. You used to be able to get out of high school, get a good union factory job, get married, have kids, buy a house, all before you were 30. Then, a…

Nah - that's why it's interesting that the article focused on a tenured professor. Speaking as one of the same, I can confirm: Stability does not equate to subjective perception of happiness. I know a lot of profs who've _left_ guaranteed, stable, tenured jobs to run off to industry within a few years of getting tenure. (Ok, so they all went to a startup or to Google, but still: They gave up security with a very reasonable, if not industry-equivalent, income.)
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