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Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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looking at your comment history you seem emotionally highly invested into a company, which according to your claim, you have used 3x4 times in your life.

I have no idea why you believe I'm "emotionally highly invested" in Uber - could you explain? I don't like mob behavior and intellectual dishonesty. There has been a lot of it on HN lately which drives me to comment (also, due to an injury, I have way too much time on my hands).

Thanks for asking.

I basically refer to your comments in which you quite vehemently defend the companies extremely shady tactics. As for mob behavior, which apparently disturbs you so much. This may, or may not be true. personally, I don't buy it.

Let's look at your original comment to which I replied and let's try to rephrase the points you make.

  1) Stuff about the CEO's personal life.
Misogynistic comments (Boob-er) to a magazine has nothing whatsoever to do with the CEOs private life. The statements where not made at a private function, but to a mass market publication.

  2) CEO wants to automate business processes. Those of us in tech would never consider replacing humans with machines, right?
The point here is not that the CEO wants to automate business processes, but the disdain and disregard that he shows for his employees. Your phrasing of this point is, at best, highly disingenuous.

  3) Trying to compete for workers. (Didn't we hate Apple/Google for agreeing not to do this?)
The point, as you are probably very well aware, is not competing for workers, but the methods used to do that. The tech company violation of anti trust laws, while also unethical, has pretty much nothing to do with Ubers shady tactics in this context.

  5-7) A few Uber drivers are crazy (Uber is helping the cops). Note that if most of these incidents happened in a taxi, the cops would have little info unless the passenger remembered a license #.
Uber helps the cops? I'm sure they do if the cops have a warrant, since, in this case, there's not much choice anyway. for the rest we only have the word of Ubers PR Departments word on this Interestingly that's always the same standard broken record: "We're looking into it, actively support the investigation and we have deactivated the partner from the Uber platform"

The problem is that in my opinion they come over as a bunch of liars in their PR, even in the not very trustworthy field of public relations.

Hiring drivers, whom's background check must have failed, if done seriously, or smearing the victims of those incidents (again, in a partially very misogynist fashion) doesn't help much either.

  8) Standard french advertising in France.
I get it you where never in France. Hiring hookers as driver is not a French standard advertising practice.

  9) Standard PR.
maybe, but again with extremely shady tactics applied (and not very well executed, either)

  10) Exec discusses hiring journalists to do journalism to journalists. You know, digging up stuff about their personal life, kind of like (1) on this list.
Sounds more like a Scientology black ops towards critics, than a standard journalistic tactic. What you glossed over is their abuse of private data if it suits their interest. Which, again in my opinion, is actually worse than the idea to smear a journalist and go after her family.

Put this reply of yours together with your comment history and applying Occam's razor you come over as an Uber shill and not as a person who hates mob mentality and has too much time on his had.

But that's just my opinion.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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I think what'll come out of this entire experiment is something very, very similar to the current taxi industry - simply with better apps and dependability, and I will not complain at all. A little part of me suspects that this will not be Uber (at least in America, where the regulatory blockade feels really impenetrable as an engineer), although at this point it's anyones game.

Why haven't taxi companies done this themselves to see off the upstart competitors?

Probably because it would be expensive and risky to roll out something across a large, already existing network, but at the same time running an innovative "side project" may well be met by anxiety (and corresponding resistance) by those who aren't able to participate. It seems to me that both of these responses are fairly economically rational, given the corresponding risks.

Regulation could be useful here, if properly designed, by helping to alleviate the fears of those in the existing industry who are most likely to be directly affected by these useful innovations. Unfortunately, the allergic political response of some sectors of society to anything interventionist makes coming to reasonable arrangements quite difficult, so we just end up with something that isn't really that great for anyone.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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Uber will lose a few principled customers when, for example, a tech blogger blows something an executive said way out of proportion for their own financial gain. However, the market as a whole simply doesn't care about an executive that vents at a party, or that they engage in anti-competitive behavior, or that the CEO is kind of a jerk.

People care that their ride shows up on time and gets them there safely. For the most part with Uber, that happens. Like it or not, Uber has attained critical mass and is here to stay.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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If you live in San Francisco, you might consider getting a bike and/or using public transportation instead of ride-sharing services. Either of them are better for the city by reducing congestion and pollution, and biking in particular is surprisingly fast and convenient. If you are interested in getting introduced to biking, there are a bunch of free classes by the SF Bicycle Coalition that I highly recommend you loo…

I just started biking to/from caltrain and in the first week, I've already had someone try to steal my bike off the train and have nearly been hit by several cars in completely un-extraordinary circumstances. I'm sticking with it, but it doesn't paint a great picture for biking over other forms of convenient, readily available transport. Also the initial cost of biking, even when going for a super cheap bike and gear…

City biking does have a bit of a learning curve, and I do highly recommend you look into those classes that I linked to above (or find similar ones in your area).

You will get better with experience though, and the better you get the more you'll be able to understand how to bike defensively and reduce any sort of close calls.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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There's also been shown to be an inverse correlation between wearing a helmet and safety. It seems that motorists correlate "having a helmet on" with being safe, and so are more aggressive around those who are wearing.

Where has this been shown? Since I bike daily, I'm really curious about studies about helmet safety.

Probably referring to the study in the uk to examine how overtaking distances of passing vehicles is affected by the attire of the cyclist [1].

There's suggestions that making helmets compulsory reduces cyclists, which in turn makes cycling unsafer.

I cycle in London every day (for the past 10 years) and personally don't wear a helmet (though plenty of my friends do). I tried, but found for me it was a mild occasional obstruction to my peripheral vision - something I value highly on the road.

[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/5334208.stm

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

#76

Why do we dislike Uber? Lets go through the links. 1) Stuff about the CEO's personal life. 2) CEO wants to automate business processes. Those of us in tech would never consider replacing humans with machines, right? 3) Trying to compete for workers. (Didn't we hate Apple/Google for agreeing not to do this?) 4) We love Peter Thiel and he hates it. 5-7) A few Uber drivers are crazy (Uber is helping the cops). Note that…

Re: 4, you forgot to mention that Peter Thiel is an investor in their competitor, Lyft. He's not exactly being altruistic.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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If you live in San Francisco, you might consider getting a bike and/or using public transportation instead of ride-sharing services. Either of them are better for the city by reducing congestion and pollution, and biking in particular is surprisingly fast and convenient. If you are interested in getting introduced to biking, there are a bunch of free classes by the SF Bicycle Coalition that I highly recommend you loo…

So I cycle around SF, but am considering stopping. The data varies depending on which source you use, but it seems like cycling is about 3 times less dangerous than motorbiking, and considerably (at least ~5-10x) more dangerous than driving. Most people who've lived in SF have plenty of anecdotal evidence of friends who've been hurt, often seriously, by bike accidents. I'd love to be proven wrong about this: I love c…

I've ridden my bike to and from work in SF nearly every day for the past 4 years and have only once come close to being in an accident with a car.

But every day I see plenty of other cyclists making overly-aggressive moves that put themselves and other people in danger. You may claim that I'm blaming the victim, but from what I've observed many cyclists kind of enjoy a little (in their opinion) justified indignation at the behavior of car drivers. And they'll intentionally put themselves in positions to feel that justified rage.

How many times have you seen a cyclist in the right-hand bike lane try to overtake a car signaling for a right turn while both are approaching an intersection, rather than yielding to the car who will clearly reach the intersection first? And then the cyclist acts surprised and offended when the driver begins to turn into them.

Of course this is a recipe for disaster, and I see it multiple times per week from my position a safe distance back from the turning car, which I can observe and then safely pass on the left.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to be safe on a bike. Just use your head and ride a bit defensively.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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So taxi regulations are in place to ensure faceless execs don't make mean remarks? Uber might not be startup of the month right now, but given the choice of excellent service for customers at the cost of a couple assholes in a boardroom somewhere versus crappy service while the execs try to please everyone, I'd choose excellent service every time. Ignoring the fact that, of course, taxi regulations don't stop people…

I think regulations have more to do with the drivers not taking you on 20 mile detours, trying to sexually assault or yelling at a cancer patient (all Uber stories).

And all taxi stories. Seriously, you think they're immune to stuff like that?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/taxi-driver-se...

http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/santa-cruz/santa...

Rude taxi drivers and huge detours to charge you more money are par for the course when it comes to taxis. Regulation doesn't fix this. I'm not sure what does, really.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

#79

Why do we dislike Uber? Lets go through the links. 1) Stuff about the CEO's personal life. 2) CEO wants to automate business processes. Those of us in tech would never consider replacing humans with machines, right? 3) Trying to compete for workers. (Didn't we hate Apple/Google for agreeing not to do this?) 4) We love Peter Thiel and he hates it. 5-7) A few Uber drivers are crazy (Uber is helping the cops). Note that…

Why do I dislike Uber?

1) They readily treat their drivers like second-class citizens (I was one of them at one point in time)

2) They use "Special Promotion" as a euphemism for "this wage cut is coming in 2 months, you better start shifting your spending habits"

3) In aggregate, their public persona is one of douche-baggery

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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Where has this been shown? Since I bike daily, I'm really curious about studies about helmet safety.

This sounds related: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/somerset/5334208....

Interesting, but not really definitive. Seems like there's a big factor related to the size of the bike lane as well. There could also be a bias towards male and female cyclists, since this experiment was conducted using a wig to make the rider look female with no helmet on. Would still like to see more.

My current ride gives me a pretty huge bike lane, and so far I've felt better with a helmet on than without.

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