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RTX2010 – Radiation-hardened stack machine microprocessor

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Re: RTX2010 – Radiation-hardened stack machine microprocessor

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Philae is controlled by 2 RTX2010 CPUs (hot red), further 8 control the Experiments. 13 CPUs (10* RTX2010, 1* ADSP-21020, 2* 80C3x) in total. © https://twitter.com/philae2014/status/427842417920712704

For future archaeologists wondering why everyone is talking about Philae, the title of this thread used to be to the effect of "The rad-hard CPU used in Philae".

Re: RTX2010 – Radiation-hardened stack machine microprocessor

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Hah, an old friend. A company I worked with had a Novix in 1986/1987 for prototyping purposes (early days number plate recognition system). Before we got it we had to sign an unreasonable amount of paper. Rumor had it this is the chip powering the Tomahawk cruisemissile.

Brought a smile to my face too: I had a summer job in 1986 at FORTH, Inc., and spent some quality time with my officemate's cmForth manual. (cmForth was Chuck Moore's new Forth dialect for the Novix. IIRC the manual said the multiply-step instruction didn't quite work and gave a software workaround.)

Re: RTX2010 – Radiation-hardened stack machine microprocessor

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>Nice to see this neat-but-underappreciated architecture in the news. It's already appreciated. Let me recall here the 'scientist' character (A&B Srugatsky) who explains the World as a huge inertial mass to the good or evil in the same. Tertium non datur it is a principle of our mind sometimes used in computers.

edit: Strugatsky. hi ±HN.

I believe the downvotes came from not seeing any relevance to your comment -- I don't see it myself.

Re: RTX2010 – Radiation-hardened stack machine microprocessor

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Theoretically you can make integrated circuit with any semiconductor, but I don't know if anyone has been brave enough to try it. The smallest integrated circuit is a diode, it has 1/2 transistors :). OK, a diode is not actually an integrated circuit, but if you can use a material to make a diode, you probably can use the same material to make an integrated circuit with enough money, time and ingenuity. Some of the d…

I know that, but I don't think every material has the interesting properties that Si does for image sensors , i.e. it needs to basically turn photons of the right wavelength range into electrons.

Sorry. I misread your comment.

Other users have answered the question, but I'd like to add a little more information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_circuit#LED_as_light_sensor

> As a photodiode, an LED is sensitive to wavelengths equal to or shorter than the predominant wavelength it emits. For example, a green LED is sensitive to blue light and to some green light, but not to yellow or red light.

If you want to measure the light of all visible wavelength, you must use a semiconductor with a low band gap, for example the named in the other comments: Germanium, Silicon or Gallium Arsenide

It's interesting to read the table in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_materials... but it's important to sort it by band gap fist, o you an compare the applications of semiconductor with a similar band gap.

Re: RTX2010 – Radiation-hardened stack machine microprocessor

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Wouldn't work for all applications, tough, if I'm not mistaken, as you specifically need Silicon for imaging chips (CCD/CMOS). Or is that nonsense?

Theoretically you can make integrated circuit with any semiconductor, but I don't know if anyone has been brave enough to try it. The smallest integrated circuit is a diode, it has 1/2 transistors :). OK, a diode is not actually an integrated circuit, but if you can use a material to make a diode, you probably can use the same material to make an integrated circuit with enough money, time and ingenuity. Some of the d…

> "Germanium differs from silicon in that the supply for germanium is limited by the availability of exploitable sources, while the supply of silicon is only limited by production capacity since silicon comes from ordinary sand or quartz. As a result, while silicon could be bought in 1998 for less than $10 per kg,[20] the price of 1 kg of germanium was then almost $800.[20]"

So nearly 2 orders of magnitude price difference. In 1998 admittedly, but still. (Someone should come up with a better example for the Wikipedia article)

Re: RTX2010 – Radiation-hardened stack machine microprocessor

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Other materials have been used for imagers. Gallium Arsenide in particular has been used for high speed, and high radiation, imaging circuits.

Cool, I didn't know that.

venera, cray etc.

Re: RTX2010 – Radiation-hardened stack machine microprocessor

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Wouldn't work for all applications, tough, if I'm not mistaken, as you specifically need Silicon for imaging chips (CCD/CMOS). Or is that nonsense?

Why would you need silicon for that? Even if it were the only process we use now (which it isn't. As a simple example, Germanium-based photo diodes do exist), materials research could conceivably produce other materials that work, too. There are even more exotic examples to think of. Eyes turn light into electricity without (AFAIK) Silicon. Maybe part of that physics/chemistry can be practically used elsewhere?

>Eyes turn light into electricity without (AFAIK) Silicon.

Correct. A photon hits a chromophore bound to an opsin protein, and flips the chirality of the chromophore from 11-cis to all-trans, which changes the structure of the opsin protein, which starts the cascade of activity leading to sight. We could definitely use chemical detectors to take advantage of this or a similar process.

Re: RTX2010 – Radiation-hardened stack machine microprocessor

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Hah, an old friend. A company I worked with had a Novix in 1986/1987 for prototyping purposes (early days number plate recognition system). Before we got it we had to sign an unreasonable amount of paper. Rumor had it this is the chip powering the Tomahawk cruisemissile.

Raytheon refurbish...

Re: RTX2010 – Radiation-hardened stack machine microprocessor

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Listed but unfortunately not stocked: http://www.mouser.tw/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=RTX2010

it's quite strange that there is not backlash against those manufacturers that don't make their parts or their datasheet available. They are just a pain in the butt and they drive our buying power down.

Re: RTX2010 – Radiation-hardened stack machine microprocessor

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The yearly Forth Day meeting is happening right now, and Chuck Moore (inventor of Forth, designer of the RTX2010) is going to give his annual fireside chat in a matter of hours. I'm honored to be in attendance.

So if HN has any questions, this is a good time to ask them. The hangout is here:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/115269917987589859757/posts

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