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How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Post by anigbrowl »

exstudent wrote: post #21
anigbrowl wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moaning about a scientist's sexist shirt is probably a case of misplaced priorites, but it's not like anyone is denying the existence of the landing or the spaceship, whereas here you have public figures who cheerfully deny the reality of biological evolution or climate change in order to chase votes. It's not like anyone is going to gut the European Space Agency budget over Dr. Wossname's shirt, though.

No, but it's horribly unfair to ruin what is probably going to be the most important day in this guy's life. The shirt was made by a woman who's friends with the guy anyway. He's just quirky, not sexist. We shouldn't label him as such.

I really don't care. It's not relevant to the original article about the misrepresentation of science in politics, yet your derail has become the largest thing in the thread and sucked all the oxygen out of the original discussion.

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Post by hobs »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #10
exstudent wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just the US. Just today the UK press made the lead scientist of the Rosetta mission cry by attacking his SHIRT instead of celebrating his achievements. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mi...

Nonsense. His achievement was celebrated as well. His shirt is the kind of thing that keeps women away from science, so the fact that he publicly acknowledged his error will make other scientists more consciously think about inclusivity, helping science in the long run.

No, his shirt wont keep women away from science.

The entire fiasco is not about science, it is LITERALLY the thing that I would want to avoid if I had planned going into this field, and I assume that women also do not want long drawn out discussions about what they are wearing INSTEAD of their impressive scientific achievements.

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Post by meepmorp »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #7

It's of course that politicians are only speaking what the electorate wants to hear. Anti-science language wouldn't fly if it didn't result in votes. The sentiment against science in large tracts of the country is frankly scary. When you see that the Department of Biology at Baylor University, a respectable institution associated with the Baptist Church, feels compelled to make a statement in favour of evolution ( ht…

> It's of course that politicians are only speaking what the electorate wants to hear. Anti-science language wouldn't fly if it didn't result in votes

It's not anti-science language, per se. It's a "hey, look at this wasteful stuff your tax dollars are getting spent on," which only incidentally plays on anti-intellectual/anti-scientific sentiments in the electorate. It's hard to explain why something like this is actually a valuable use of resources, and doubly so when it's easy to characterize as a ridiculous thing.

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Post by lmartel »

wozniacki wrote: post #44
jacobolus wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Heck, there isn't a single nationally syndicated journalist who can even rebut the casually-dystopian hogwash Hollywood routinely churns out, like clockwork.[3] > [3] Blade Runner: The Final Cut, review Can you explain this one? I don’t understand why journalists should be “rebutting” SF movies from the early 80s. I have never heard someone use the plot of Blade Runner as any kind of policy advice... which makes se…

It pays to actually explore the links, provided. There are some people who prefer the original's gritty Chandleresque voice-over narration and the ambiguous happy ending (both supposedly forced on Scott), but the Final Cut is a more disturbing tale of dehumanisation.

I have to agree with the sibling comment here, I still have no idea what you're getting at with the Blade Runner stuff or how it ties into the rest of your point.

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Post by noobermin »

wozniacki wrote: post #35
sharkweek wrote: post #5

I highly recommend folks watch Particle Fever (for a variety of reasons, and it's on Netflix), but one section particularly stuck out, when the documentary addresses the original LHC location in Texas being de-funded. It shows members of congress arguing how "discovering the origins of the universe" should not be a priority. I think it's easy to make a very public argument against budgeting research, as the general p…

When these topics, concerning the general disinterestedness and the indifference of the voting populace toward science and technology come up, one is left to wonder how it is even arithmetically possible in 2014, that there isn't yet a financially lofty interest-group apparatus in Washington, advancing policies that collectively foster the cause of basic research in science & tech. Where are the think tanks? Where ar…

>I know images of a bleak and soulless future rings more bells at the box office than visions of a verdant tech-enabled one.

Interstellar, I'm hoping, re-inspires some of us to dream about science once again.

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Post by eruiu88 »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #10
exstudent wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just the US. Just today the UK press made the lead scientist of the Rosetta mission cry by attacking his SHIRT instead of celebrating his achievements. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mi...

Nonsense. His achievement was celebrated as well. His shirt is the kind of thing that keeps women away from science, so the fact that he publicly acknowledged his error will make other scientists more consciously think about inclusivity, helping science in the long run.

I have put my dinner plate down to write this comment.

What the fuck did you just say ? You dumb cunt. Do you have any idea what the fuck you are talking about ? Instead of celebrating his achievements on landing speceship on comet you motherfucking femiNAZI focus on his shirt ?

I 100 % guarantee In you last 10 generation no one has achieved anything and in next 10 generations also no one will achieve anything.

Seriously , if you are so obsessed about women in tech and science why not just leave this planet and create your own instead of CUNTing around ?

I bet my $1M stock options on any woman, YES you FUCKING CUNT, on any women , worthy of this precise level of achievement.

Seriously, you are burden on humanity.

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Post by eruiu88 »

dalke wrote: post #45
exstudent wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incorrect, women aren't as weak as you think they are. He worked with many awesome women to make this mission happen BTW. More likely this type of overreaction and hysteria will keep free thinking individuals out of science.

I wouldn't want to work in a workplace which wears its objectification on its sleeve like that. Your argument seems to be that I'm weak because of all the opportunities available to me I would prefer to work someplace else. Thus, while I think that lern_too_spel is incomplete, in that some men may also stay out of science for these reasons, I strongly object to your name calling. I am not "weak" for my decisions on t…

"I wouldn't want to work in a workplace which wears its objectification on its sleeve like that"

... and that's why no one wants to work with you as well. I dont know if you are male or female ? If you are male stop white knighting. YOu are not going to get laid by each time standing up for women. Women have their own mind and their own strength.

If you are female your priorities are fucked up.

Probably that's why you old piece of shit , basement hipster no one wants to hang around.

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Post by wozniacki »

anigbrowl wrote: post #48
wozniacki wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When these topics, concerning the general disinterestedness and the indifference of the voting populace toward science and technology come up, one is left to wonder how it is even arithmetically possible in 2014, that there isn't yet a financially lofty interest-group apparatus in Washington, advancing policies that collectively foster the cause of basic research in science & tech. Where are the think tanks? Where ar…

As someone who works in the film industry, Hollywood makes movies that reflects the public's hopes and fears. It doesn't do dystopia for its own sake, any more than it does mindless techno-optimism. Picking out the re-release of Blade Runner as an example of what Hollywood churns out 'like clockwork' seems self-contradictory to say the least. On the larger question of why we don't have a lobby to fund basic research,…

For someone who "works" in the film industry, you seem to be gleefully unaware of Hollywood's fondness for dystopia.

Interstellar might be one of the few newer breed of films that actually casts human space travel in some positive light.

In fact one is left wanting for instances of the "techno-optimism" - mindless or otherwise - that you describe of, in Hollywood flicks.

List of dystopian films

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dystopian_films

A simple Google search

http://i.imgur.com/hHvy0rN.png

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Post by trhway »

exstudent wrote: post #17
Volundr wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the first I've heard of this, but it hardly seems like the UK press made him do it. The lady asked a question about his achievement and he responded talking about his shirt. Perhaps he genuinely felt bad about what he (probably unthinkingly) chose to wear, the possible message it sends, and wanted to address it?

It was a reaction to an article yesterday on The Verge ( http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/7213819/your-bowling-shir... ) So sadly, it was the US press that made this happen.

American prudes can spoil a party like nobody else, you have to give them that.

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Post by [deleted] »

eruiu88 wrote: post #57
dalke wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't want to work in a workplace which wears its objectification on its sleeve like that. Your argument seems to be that I'm weak because of all the opportunities available to me I would prefer to work someplace else. Thus, while I think that lern_too_spel is incomplete, in that some men may also stay out of science for these reasons, I strongly object to your name calling. I am not "weak" for my decisions on t…

"I wouldn't want to work in a workplace which wears its objectification on its sleeve like that" ... and that's why no one wants to work with you as well. I dont know if you are male or female ? If you are male stop white knighting. YOu are not going to get laid by each time standing up for women. Women have their own mind and their own strength. If you are female your priorities are fucked up. Probably that's why yo…

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