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How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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War on Science in US is astounding. It is amazing how US still manages to be ahead in most areas of science and technology.

It's not just the US. Just today the UK press made the lead scientist of the Rosetta mission cry by attacking his SHIRT instead of celebrating his achievements. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mi...

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Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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War on Science in US is astounding. It is amazing how US still manages to be ahead in most areas of science and technology.

It's not just the US. Just today the UK press made the lead scientist of the Rosetta mission cry by attacking his SHIRT instead of celebrating his achievements. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mi...

Oh, That Shirt. I thought that was just some feminists divorced from reality who got busy complaining. Meanwhile, during the livecast, when the go/no-go decisions took place the night before the comet landing, you could see one woman engineer and two or three men engineers on duty in the control room, and they all interacted with each other as if they were peers.

I'm blessed to be ignorant about sexism in Silicon Valley, but in Darmstadt it looks that as a woman you are just fine.

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just the US. Just today the UK press made the lead scientist of the Rosetta mission cry by attacking his SHIRT instead of celebrating his achievements. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mi...

Nonsense. His achievement was celebrated as well. His shirt is the kind of thing that keeps women away from science, so the fact that he publicly acknowledged his error will make other scientists more consciously think about inclusivity, helping science in the long run.

Incorrect, women aren't as weak as you think they are. He worked with many awesome women to make this mission happen BTW.

More likely this type of overreaction and hysteria will keep free thinking individuals out of science.

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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War on Science in US is astounding. It is amazing how US still manages to be ahead in most areas of science and technology.

It's not just the US. Just today the UK press made the lead scientist of the Rosetta mission cry by attacking his SHIRT instead of celebrating his achievements. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mi...

the world we're increasingly living at. "I'd not know "- "What to wear? You'll come up with something."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tH...

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just the US. Just today the UK press made the lead scientist of the Rosetta mission cry by attacking his SHIRT instead of celebrating his achievements. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mi...

Nonsense. His achievement was celebrated as well. His shirt is the kind of thing that keeps women away from science, so the fact that he publicly acknowledged his error will make other scientists more consciously think about inclusivity, helping science in the long run.

But at the same time, this guy is bound to get other people interested in science that may not have been before. He's a freaking inked up metal fan.[1] I don't think every person needs to make "more women in STEM" their life's mission. It is something that needs to be done. But what about a mission of "more [other people] in STEM" for a few of them.

[1] http://www.metalsucks.net/2014/11/13/dr-matt-taylor-dude-put...

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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War on Science in US is astounding. It is amazing how US still manages to be ahead in most areas of science and technology.

It's not just the US. Just today the UK press made the lead scientist of the Rosetta mission cry by attacking his SHIRT instead of celebrating his achievements. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mi...

This is the first I've heard of this, but it hardly seems like the UK press made him do it. The lady asked a question about his achievement and he responded talking about his shirt.

Perhaps he genuinely felt bad about what he (probably unthinkingly) chose to wear, the possible message it sends, and wanted to address it?

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just the US. Just today the UK press made the lead scientist of the Rosetta mission cry by attacking his SHIRT instead of celebrating his achievements. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mi...

This is the first I've heard of this, but it hardly seems like the UK press made him do it. The lady asked a question about his achievement and he responded talking about his shirt. Perhaps he genuinely felt bad about what he (probably unthinkingly) chose to wear, the possible message it sends, and wanted to address it?

It was a reaction to an article yesterday on The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/7213819/your-bowling-shir...)

So sadly, it was the US press that made this happen.

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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post #3

War on Science in US is astounding. It is amazing how US still manages to be ahead in most areas of science and technology.

It's not just the US. Just today the UK press made the lead scientist of the Rosetta mission cry by attacking his SHIRT instead of celebrating his achievements. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mi...

Moaning about a scientist's sexist shirt is probably a case of misplaced priorites, but it's not like anyone is denying the existence of the landing or the spaceship, whereas here you have public figures who cheerfully deny the reality of biological evolution or climate change in order to chase votes.

It's not like anyone is going to gut the European Space Agency budget over Dr. Wossname's shirt, though.

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Reminds me of the research into French fruit flies that Palin tried to make the same political point with - http://news.sciencemag.org/policy/2008/10/french-fruit-fly-f...

I wonder if they just find it icky and are then rationalizing the politics afterwards.

Re: How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just the US. Just today the UK press made the lead scientist of the Rosetta mission cry by attacking his SHIRT instead of celebrating his achievements. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mi...

Nonsense. His achievement was celebrated as well. His shirt is the kind of thing that keeps women away from science, so the fact that he publicly acknowledged his error will make other scientists more consciously think about inclusivity, helping science in the long run.

His shirt is the kind of thing that keeps women away from science?

This all started with s.o. being offended by it while watching the original interview, but how can you come to such a conclusion based on that? Did the female student's lecture attendance/signup rate plummet since that interview? Is there any kind of imperial evidence that this person's shirt is making female students turn away from science?

I honestly don't understand how it's even possible to get to that conclusion. If there's s.o. interested in a specific field and (s)he witnesses a major scientific breakthrough, then the last thing on your mind would be '...but how could the person be wearing that?'.

If you're offended by it, then ask why this happened in the first place, because maybe there's an actual good explanation behind it.

For me it's in the same category as people saying they don't want anything to do with computers because Turing was gay - how does one thing have anything to do with the other?

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