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Re: Exercising but Gaining Weight

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Post by prostoalex »

jagawhowho wrote: post #30
prostoalex wrote: post #9

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> Basically you just have to be vigilant with not eating too much. No. There's no consistent evidence of large groups of people who started reducing calories and in return lost pounds predictably. Subjects lose energy, become irritable, get headaches and migraines, have hunger pangs, every now and then just fall off the wagon and over-indulge, or just plain simple gain weight on reduced calorie diet in a controlled e…

Ethics prevent a real study where you lock the fatties in a cage and accurately measure the calories eaten. Fatties lie like a pro when it comes to dieting.

And yet when calorie restriction is done through restricting carbohydrates, the results are much more convincing http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/

Re: Exercising but Gaining Weight

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Post by mbrameld »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #27
teen wrote: post #3

Running on a treadmill for an hour is about 600 calories. Eating an extra snack before bed can easily be that. To be calorie deficient and lose weight, it is so much easier to eat less than to exercise more. On top of that, exercising more can stimulate your appetite... leading to over eating. Basically you just have to be vigilant with not eating too much. I don't think counting calories is important, but 3 small me…

> 600 calories. Eating an extra snack before bed can easily be that. I agree that it's easy to eat a lot of calories without paying attention, but it's only self-delusion that calls that a snack. That's almost two mcdonald's sandwiches. That's four bowls of cereal. 600 calories is an entire meal.

Or a 12 oz soda and 4 Reese's Cups.

Re: Exercising but Gaining Weight

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Post by toomuchtodo »

prostoalex wrote: post #31
jagawhowho wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ethics prevent a real study where you lock the fatties in a cage and accurately measure the calories eaten. Fatties lie like a pro when it comes to dieting.

And yet when calorie restriction is done through restricting carbohydrates, the results are much more convincing http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/

And if PubMed isn't your cup of tea, just head over to https://www.reddit.com/r/keto, unless you think those ~125K subreddit members are just lying.

Not all calories are the same. I myself lost almost 40lbs on the keto diet (~200 to start, now around 160lbs). 31, male, sedentary IT worker. NO EXERCISE. I eat everything except carbs (fruit, beer, anything with sugars).

Re: Exercising but Gaining Weight

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Post by toomuchtodo »

cschmidt wrote: post #12
phlosten wrote: post #5

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I made massive changes to my diet a few months ago, after being diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes. The doctor said diet and exercise needed. Trying to keep it simple I didn't worry about the exercise, just changed the diet, the weight started falling off easily, as long as I ate regularly and kept my carbs to what was required. I started riding to work this week. I am so god damn hungry right now. I think if you are rea…

> * Have enough carbs each meal so your body hormones etc are getting stuff to work with. Your body doesn't actually need any carbs to function. It can run off of ketones rather than glucose. You might be interested to look into the keto diet, which works beautifully for people with diabetes. You eat low carb, but high fat. The FAQ of /r/keto on reddit is a good place to start.

Keto In A Nutshell: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZfJejOM8fJsX1iCilmnpp1q...

/r/keto FAQ: https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/faq

Re: Exercising but Gaining Weight

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Post by rdtsc »

People are ridiculously bad at estimating the caloric content of food they eat. We can see the volume of food, feel the weight, taste it but we cannot without practice and training easily guess how many calories it will be.

Also people are just as bad at estimating how many calories they would burn by exercisng or walking.

We've all heard it -- "I'll need to walk around the block after eating that piece of cheese cake" phrase. I've said it myself many times. Even though I know it will take hours and hours of walking around a very large block to burn it off so to speak.

One more thing. There is a negative aspect of exercising in relation to weight that is often overlooked. Because of the pervious 2 points, people who do exercise will rationalize eating more food because "they will burn them off in 15 min on treadmill".

Now I am using "calories" here in a simplistic way, but we had long discussions before about how it is not as simple as calories and calories out. It is bit more complicated -- hunger, hormones, insulin level, fat storage rates etc.

Re: Exercising but Gaining Weight

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Post by mmastrac »

I'll add my single datum here. I lost a bunch of weight using the Hacker's Diet [1] when I was in university. I've occasionally put myself back on it as I get older, but there are two things that I believe are true about the way that I personally lose weight:

1) Losing weight while exercising is tough. I usually choose diet or exercise at any given time (or just light exercise so I'm not completely unfit by the end of the diet). I've had poor luck with exercise to lose weight, but it is very effective for maintaining it.

2) Fasting at the start of the diet -- and only at the very beginning -- seems to be critical to my success at losing weight [2]. Perhaps this has something to do with gut bacteria, metabolism or some psychosomatic factors. I'm not sure, but I basically cannot lose weight without that start.

As an aside, I've been very tempted to start an intermittent fast (even while not losing weight!) after seeing Michael Mosley's program on BBC a few years back. [3]

[1] https://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/hackdiet.html

[2] https://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/subsubsection1_3_3_0_3...

[3] http://www.bbc.com/news/health-19112549

Re: Exercising but Gaining Weight

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Post by rdtsc »

dkrich wrote: post #7
teen wrote: post #3

Running on a treadmill for an hour is about 600 calories. Eating an extra snack before bed can easily be that. To be calorie deficient and lose weight, it is so much easier to eat less than to exercise more. On top of that, exercising more can stimulate your appetite... leading to over eating. Basically you just have to be vigilant with not eating too much. I don't think counting calories is important, but 3 small me…

Exactly. The real problem with fat gain/loss isn't sedentary vs. active lifestyles, it's calorie consumption. This is why smokers who never work out are usually extremely thin- they typically eat very little. That isn't of course to suggest that that is healthier than being a non-smoker who is overweight, but rather to show in an extreme case that for fat loss exercise is extremely overrated while simple calorie rest…

> Pretty much all breakfast foods other than eggs are just sugar and carbs and extremely fattening.

I never understood that. I came from another country and live here now for many years. I don't get it how breakfast is a completely acceptable time to eat just dessert food -- pancakes and syrop, waffles, oatmeal smothered in sugar honey and cinnamon, cereal, even "healthy" yogurt with sugar in it, toast with jam on it. Not saying I don't do it, I eat those things to once in a while without thinking much about it, but in general looking at it, it just seem so strange.

There is the whole "breakfast is the main meal of the day" mantra. Is that really true? Not sure anymore. Maybe it is something created by cereal and bacon producers out there...

For the curious, for breakfast, I am used to eating porridge -- buckweat, wheat, oatmeal with butter and salt. Or just rye (I call it "black") bread and butter (yeah I know bread is sugar too to some degree). Coldcuts, cheese, smoked fish. Not all healthy and good but most are not sweet.

Something that is hard to give up is fatty foods, I like bacon, olive oil on my things, even eat whole cured and spiced pork fat. I would cut slices of it and eat it as a snak. But I am almost underweight for my height.

Re: Exercising but Gaining Weight

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Post by Dylan16807 »

mbrameld wrote: post #32
Dylan16807 wrote: post #27

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> 600 calories. Eating an extra snack before bed can easily be that. I agree that it's easy to eat a lot of calories without paying attention, but it's only self-delusion that calls that a snack. That's almost two mcdonald's sandwiches. That's four bowls of cereal. 600 calories is an entire meal.

Or a 12 oz soda and 4 Reese's Cups.

People don't account for the calories in drinks properly, I'd rather not use an example with soda.

So yes seven Reese's Cups (well 6.8) will make up an entire meal. That's a bit much for a snack.

The fact that three sodas can be an entire meal is a different problem (you can drink that much without even realizing you ate) with a pretty easy solution.

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