The way I see it, I still need a Windows machine to run VS. I will consider their platform when I can develop for it on MacOSX.
Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
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Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
#262I welcome it. And still think it is 10 years too late. 2.0 was a blast and provided higher quality of life and speed of contemporary JAVA. If they had made it multiplatform back then the world would have been different.
They probably didn't have the resources back then to make it multiplatform. It would be a distraction from providing the core features of the platform. Now that the platform is mature, it's a good time to do it.
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#263I just want to add my $.02. It's about fucking time. They should have done this 15 years ago.
That might have been difficult, given that .NET is only 12 years old.
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#264It's funny how Nadella has moved the needle more for developers in 9 months than Ballmer did in the last decade or so, and all that without running around like a madman too. Pretty good. I'll never switch back to MS for what they've done in the past but it is nice to see them try hard to become a nicer player in the software eco-system. Google and Apple need some other party to keep them sharp, it might as well be MS…
The process to open source .NET would have almost certainly started before Nadella became CEO.
There's no way they decided to release the source and have it ready within 9 months.
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#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're still doing bad stuff today, just on different fronts. That said, I hope they give Google and Apple a run for their money, those are (probably) just as bad. The last ruling in the SCO case was a mere 4 years ago.
> They're still doing bad stuff today, just on different fronts. I mean no disrespect, but what's the bad stuff being done my Microsoft today?
hm, maybe pass that question to someone from finland?
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#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
- Stacker - Netscape - SCO And many others besides. Companies have reputations just like people do (that's why we call them 'incorporated') and just like you can lose your trust in a person you can lose your trust in a corporation. This is not about Microsoft just doing 'stupid stuff sometimes' it is about institutionalized criminal behavior sanctioned at the highest level of one of the largest software companies in…
I'm curious whether, with the fullness of technological hindsight, you still deplore what they did to Netscape. Microsoft was the first to release a free browser included with the OS. That killed Netscape's business of selling browsers on a CD for $40, and Netscape was understandably upset. It now seems clear that an OS needs a browser included, at least so you can read documentation and download the browser of your…
> I'm curious whether, with the fullness of technological hindsight, you still deplore what they did to Netscape.
Absolutely. I dislike tied sales, I dislike having to buy a Microsoft operating system with my hardware just as much as I dislike getting IE (or chrome or any other browser) forcefully rammed down my throat when I buy an operating system.
I'm pretty sure you can guess what browser I'm using to type this comment.
> It now seems clear that an OS needs a browser included
Does it?
I see the browser as an application, not as part of the OS. And I feel that as a user of an operating system you should have a choice what browser you run and what browser gets installed on top of the OS after that has finished installing. All these cross-layer links are good for nothing.
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#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
C# as a language is better than Java, but not as good as Scala.
In Scala, there are just too many ways to do things. It's optimized for flexibility and easy writability. C# on the other hand may be a little more verbose, but at least everyone can read everyone elses code.
Funny, I find c# much harder to read. Its almost as if it is easy to understand code for languages you know well, and harder to understand code for languages you don't.
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#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
C# as a language is better than Java, but not as good as Scala.
I don't know why you are being down voted. Erik Meijer, a huge .NET contributor who worked at Microsoft (on C# among other things), and was behind the reactive .NET extensions (and also a big Haskell contributor) - he was saying exactly the same thing about Scala vs C# - http://www.infoq.com/presentations/covariance-contravariance... I can also testify as someone who uses Scala on a day to day basis and used C# at wo…
Peyton Jones and some other nice people work at Microsoft to improve Haskell, which is IMHO the right tool.
Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
#269The key points seem to be: "Available Wednesday, Visual Studio Community 2013 is a free, fully featured edition of Visual Studio including full extensibility." So, it sounds like this will replace the Express edition and let you install extensions like you can in the Pro version. "Visual Studio 2015 and .NET 2015: build for any device - Built from the ground up with support for iOS, Android and Windows, Visual Studio…
The iOS and Android part don't make sense to me. Surely you won't be running VS on your iPad? So are they saying it has support for compiling to iOS and Android? Wouldn't they need to mention Xamarin in that sentence for it to make sense?
I think it's just an oddly-worded sentence. They're saying that you can use VS to target multiple platforms (including IOS). They're absolutely not saying you'll be able to run Visual Studio on an IPad.
Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
#270It's funny how Nadella has moved the needle more for developers in 9 months than Ballmer did in the last decade or so, and all that without running around like a madman too. Pretty good. I'll never switch back to MS for what they've done in the past but it is nice to see them try hard to become a nicer player in the software eco-system. Google and Apple need some other party to keep them sharp, it might as well be MS…
>I'll never switch back to MS for what they've done in the past
I wish more people were open to admit things like that. It would greatly reduce the time I've spent the last few months arguing over products and technologies with people who keep the fact that they don't hate the product's quality directly but indirectly, given that it was made by a company they don't support anymore.