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Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
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Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
#72The key points seem to be: "Available Wednesday, Visual Studio Community 2013 is a free, fully featured edition of Visual Studio including full extensibility." So, it sounds like this will replace the Express edition and let you install extensions like you can in the Pro version. "Visual Studio 2015 and .NET 2015: build for any device - Built from the ground up with support for iOS, Android and Windows, Visual Studio…
One theory I've read is Microsoft wants Xamarin to stay third-party so Microsoft's competitors continue working with them.
Xamarin is working with a great many companies who would think twice about working with Microsoft directly. This way Microsoft can shove money to Xamarin to forward the ecosystem without scaring anyone.
Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
#73It will be interesting to see how this works out, and how many resources are put behind it. If it does allow developers to choose to work on Linux/Mac for .NET development, it will put a lot of pressure on Windows to create a great product.
Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
#74http://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/visual-studio-com... returns a 404.
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#75If you would have shown me this headline 15 years ago I would have thought it was an onion article. Who would have thought they would have come this far?
I'm not so sure, I kind of feel like this is them following Embrace Extend Extinguish, except they realized they moved to step 3 too soon so they're going back to step 2 or 1. I do not have faith that they won't try step 3 again later.
Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
#76Wow - I have to say I'm impressed. I wonder how extensive the cross platform support is, and what sort of work has gone into targeting iOS? What does this mean for Xamarin and Mono?
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Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
#77It's funny how Nadella has moved the needle more for developers in 9 months than Ballmer did in the last decade or so, and all that without running around like a madman too. Pretty good. I'll never switch back to MS for what they've done in the past but it is nice to see them try hard to become a nicer player in the software eco-system.
Google and Apple need some other party to keep them sharp, it might as well be MS.
Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
#78According to Scott Hanselman they are also open sourcing their new RyuJIT and even the GC. Incredible!
http://www.hanselman.com/blog/AnnouncingNET2015NETasOpenSour...
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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://...
Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
#79The key points seem to be: "Available Wednesday, Visual Studio Community 2013 is a free, fully featured edition of Visual Studio including full extensibility." So, it sounds like this will replace the Express edition and let you install extensions like you can in the Pro version. "Visual Studio 2015 and .NET 2015: build for any device - Built from the ground up with support for iOS, Android and Windows, Visual Studio…
The iOS and Android part don't make sense to me. Surely you won't be running VS on your iPad? So are they saying it has support for compiling to iOS and Android? Wouldn't they need to mention Xamarin in that sentence for it to make sense?
I doubt the idea (at this point) is to "RUN" Visual Studio on iPad/Android...
My money is on the App Creation naively in VS 2015 - via Xamarin or similar plugins - instead of having to rely on tools like Eclipse or IdeaU.
I think I'd lose my mind if I could develop apps in Visual Studio and C# instead of having to use Java and pay $1000/year for Xamarin.
Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform
#80It will be interesting to see how this will work in practice. C# will port over just fine. But the .Net libraries? System.Windows has little to nothing in it, and right now using things like System.IO.* on Linux and Mac is just asking for trouble. What are they going to do, hack in System.IO.* Linux support after the fact? Or just add Linux.IO.* which is even more of a hack. In either case you're going to get very me…
To be fair thats pretty much exactly what xamarin have done for ios, android and mac.