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Re: Amazon Echo

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> Yes, transmission is triggered on-chip, but who verifies every chip fabrication is performed using the same imprints? You think governments don't have factory floor managers in their pockets? If you're willing to accept changed chip silicon as a possible attack vector, then you need to start worrying about a rather large set of devices. Your laptop is internet connected and has a microphone. So is your phone. Your…

Exactly. Or, just good old fashion spy mics and cameras, perhaps placed by police, NSA, or anyone who has been shopping at the Spy Shop.

The troubling thing is it's incredibly cheap to spy on someone now. The resources necessary are not acting as a natural balancing point to prevent overreaching government.

In the past, you used to have to have physical access to the location to install the device. You also needed a listening post close by and a power source to hook the device into, if you wanted long term monitoring.

After you install the listening device, you needed to pay someone to listen to the conversations for hours and take note of anything that needed closer analysis.

All of that is incredibly expensive and difficult to scale.

Now, the device is already installed in the home or carried around on the person (via smartphone). The target takes care of charging the device for you and the information is transmitted across the country via internet connection. Massive computer networks process the data and flag the important parts of conversations.

The cheaper and more automated spying gets, the easier and more indiscriminately it can be done. Criteria for snooping drops because it's so dramatically cheap, the resources are no longer a bottleneck.

Re: Amazon Echo

#672

Everyone talks about privacy. My biggest problem is that even with those 5 or 10 functions, Alexa is still pretty much useless. Suddenly needing to know the height of Everest while crossing the room? Yeah, that happens so much. No, it's just that they don't have the slightest idea how to make it be useful because it only works on pattern questions like "What is the height of X ?" or "Put Y on the grocery list". I am…

I would enjoy the hands-free unit conversions and timers when cooking.

Re: Amazon Echo

#673

Watch the promo video again and pretend it's the first few minutes of a horror movie. A package arrives on the front porch. The family brings it in and opens it. It's Alexa. It's "for everyone," says Father. The next few days are blissful. Alexa integrates herself into the family. She is indispensable. How did they ever get by without her? Father rushes in from the backyard, "Alexa, how tall is Mt. Everest?" Alexa an…

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Re: Amazon Echo

#674

> With enhanced noise cancellation, Echo can hear you ask a question even while it's playing music. I read: "Our cloud servers can hear you, no matter what." It's a killer idea. It's too bad privacy concerns might lead it to an early grave.

I'd still be interested, if and only if, the "wake word" processing is done locally and it THEN sends the recording that occurred after the wake word up to the cloud. If it is the case that even the wake word processing is done in the cloud, non-starter for all the reasons you state.

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Re: Amazon Echo

#675

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Unless the chip design, the firmware, the OS, the software is 100% open source, there is no way to confirm "Nothing will be transmitted to the cloud". It could be an update check, or it could be the transmission of a new voice fingerprint. Same shit with cellphones, I have to admit.

It is certainly possible to wireshark it and know whether it is transmitting anything. You don't need anything to be open sourced.

Read this again, then you'll see what I ment:

"It could be an update check, or it could be the transmission of a new voice fingerprint."

Re: Amazon Echo

#676

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I feel the general the fear about "dragnet surveillance" is misplaced and uncalled for. As long as you haven't done anything wrong, hearing your conversations should be a total waste of time for whoever made the effort to do so. There are 100 million+ people in America, don't think people from NSA will waste their time on going over family conversations of every family.

The whole basis of rights is to protect YOU if THEY are wrong. http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127... What if the government mistakenly determines that based on your pattern of activities, you're likely to engage in a criminal act? What if it denies you the right to fly? What if the government thinks your financial transactions look odd—even if you've done nothing wrong—and freezes your accou…

Cannot upvote enough.

Is there a good book or site with a nice list of scenarios that don't involve an evil government and a heroic anti-conformist fighting the system, that show that a mass surveillance system can do already enough harm because of factors that can be explained by Hanlon's razor alone?

Btw, the freezing of bank accounts happened to me once in Italy, curtesy of my bank and theoir automatic implementations of anti money laundering laws; promptly sorted out after calling in in the bank, but I was actually quite annoyed that I had to let people see me give fail to complete the ATM transaction at a till. Call it first world problem, but I think there should be more transparency with these things, at least they should notify people when they block accounts.

Re: Amazon Echo

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Now they just need a Paul Bettany voice pack.

That's pretty good, but it's second place to my desire for a Majel Barrett voice pack.

Funnily enough, Google Now's voice search was originally called "Project Majel" for that reason - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Now#History

Re: Amazon Echo

#678

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It doesn't matter if you have nothing to hide. Other people do. Many of those people represent you in various official capacities, and you don't want them being coerced. Maybe some of your friends and family members have something to hide. Also, I find it very difficult to relate to the whole, "I have nothing to hide, so fuck all the other people who do," attitude that many people seem to have.

What you're missing is that people who don't have anything to hide don't want to be forced to adopt hiding practices, even though that might benefit other people. The choice to give away privacy in return for convenience is as much a feature of liberty as the choice to do the opposite, notwithstanding the disutility for a minority that can arise as a result of network effects.

I'm not missing anything. I understand that point entirely:

"Doing X benefits me. Sod everyone else"

I am fully aware of this attitude that many people seem to have.

Re: Amazon Echo

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Insane paranoia is hearing "cloud-based audio processing device and service" and instantly jumping to "the NSA" absent a single damned fact to support that conclusion. Cell phones are routinely used as listening devices, what makes you think this device would not be? If I were a government agency intent on omniscience (i.e. the NSA), this device, along with televisions and computers with always-on microphones control…

Yeah, but if anyone caught wind of it there would be hell to pay wouldn't there? You'd need some sort of secret court so that you could control exactly who has knowledge of what's going on and effectively subvert democracy. Good luck with that. You'd have to be pretty paranoid to believe the US would allow that kind of back room governing to go on.

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