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SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31

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Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31

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Just curious for case like this: Can someone take a missing person report from Police department and take it to Cell phone company and get any cell location traces for those period of time? Assuming the cell is on. Can anyone do it or just someone from police department?

I'm not sure what can be done in this case, but one option is to install Prey [1] on your devices and give the activation code to your loved ones.

1: https://preyproject.com

Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31

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You should post this at http://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco as well.

/r/sanfrancisco mod here. It's a tough call, and one that Reddit Admins (not mods) have mostly decided for us. The worry is this: an abusive ex could post a "missing persons" alert for someone trying to hide, and get their location. So, we have a rule that a news organization (which has more of an ability to vet a story, as well as a "the cat's already out of the bag" effect) has to cover it before it can be posted –…

It's weird that Reddit hasn't seemed to decide for /r/losangeles, which has a missing person post on a weekly basis, if not more often.

Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31

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One of the things that will get your account banned or your sub-reddit closed is people posting personal information. Reddit admins take it pretty seriously. It's weird what they do and don't care about.

This makes perfect sense, since as a user-generated content community, a large portion (not a majority, but a large part) is in very shady shit. /r/jailbait, /r/thefappening, etc.. But for everything shut down, there are countless others that are still operating, like /r/FacebookCleavage, /r/photoplunder, /r/redpill, /r/greatapes, etc.. Reddit has expressed that it wants to be totally neutral so that it can model a "…

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Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31

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or just drop out of social media without notice, far better than letting know your plans. Its so very easy to vanish in this country if you are smart. Most of those who do only get caught by chance or some stupid act. One recent in Georgia was only caught as part of a traffic stop.

Or the Eric Frein case in Pennsylvania, where the idea of searching abandoned buildings in the area apparently never occurred to the elite state and Federal police agencies. You don't have to be smart to hide from the police... you just have to be smarter than the police. Of course, they have the advantages of unlimited money, unlimited patience, and (apparently) unlimited surveillance power, so staying hidden for th…

Frein was probably a case of too obvious. You have a woodsman hiding in the woods. Where do you look? Looking in old buildings is obvious, but also exactly where you'd think frein would expect the police to look and the last place he'd hide. Still should have looked a little closer, but it's like I knew you'd know I would you'd know I would know not to hide there...

Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31

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/r/sanfrancisco mod here. It's a tough call, and one that Reddit Admins (not mods) have mostly decided for us. The worry is this: an abusive ex could post a "missing persons" alert for someone trying to hide, and get their location. So, we have a rule that a news organization (which has more of an ability to vet a story, as well as a "the cat's already out of the bag" effect) has to cover it before it can be posted –…

That's a very reasonable approach actually.

Agreed. Also, in this case, I think the Techcrunch article meets the requirement for vetting by a news agency. Hopefully the SF-related subreddits will give this greater visibility.

Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31

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If only it were that easy... my brother went missing in February 2009 and as of today it's still an "ongoing" investigation. I was basically blocked at every turn... In order for to get a cellphone log or trace, the detectives on the case needs to file for a subpoena. A judge will then need to sign off on it which takes 24-48 hours. Following that, they need to submit it to the cellphone company which claims it might…

I severely doubt that if it were a drug investigation, or a cop-killer ala Chris Dorner, the cell company would wait a billing cycle to provide location data. Notice also that nobody needs to file a subpoena. The cell companies can just hand it over, and often do. Because your brother is less important to the police than a drug dealer, they're not willing to blackmail the cell companies.

Perhaps you should edit that to remove the sentence beginning "because your brother..." You're talking about a person's loved one - compassion rules...

Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31

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Just curious for case like this: Can someone take a missing person report from Police department and take it to Cell phone company and get any cell location traces for those period of time? Assuming the cell is on. Can anyone do it or just someone from police department?

If only it were that easy... my brother went missing in February 2009 and as of today it's still an "ongoing" investigation. I was basically blocked at every turn... In order for to get a cellphone log or trace, the detectives on the case needs to file for a subpoena. A judge will then need to sign off on it which takes 24-48 hours. Following that, they need to submit it to the cellphone company which claims it might…

That is (unfortunately) not entirely true. If they have reason to suspect there is an immediate risk of injury or death, they can locate the phone (assuming it's on) with a high degree of accuracy (at the very least, cell tower triangulation, if not GPS activation).

We had a situation a few years ago where a couple kids had skipped school and gone joyriding in a quarry. Their parents contacted the police, who contacted the cell phone company, and the cell company gave them a reasonably accurate fix (I assume this was voluntary on the part of the phone company, given how quickly it happened).

Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31

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This reminded me of another missing person posted here. Does anyone know what happened to Luke Arduini? I have no connection, but for some reason this stuck with me.

Here's some background:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7048249

http://blog.izs.me/post/72990767417/a-member-of-our-communit...

Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only it were that easy... my brother went missing in February 2009 and as of today it's still an "ongoing" investigation. I was basically blocked at every turn... In order for to get a cellphone log or trace, the detectives on the case needs to file for a subpoena. A judge will then need to sign off on it which takes 24-48 hours. Following that, they need to submit it to the cellphone company which claims it might…

That is (unfortunately) not entirely true. If they have reason to suspect there is an immediate risk of injury or death, they can locate the phone (assuming it's on) with a high degree of accuracy (at the very least, cell tower triangulation, if not GPS activation). We had a situation a few years ago where a couple kids had skipped school and gone joyriding in a quarry. Their parents contacted the police, who contact…

in that instance it was likely that the parents were the rightful owner of that information because the account was in their name so therefore there was no need to involve a judge
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