Just curious for case like this: Can someone take a missing person report from Police department and take it to Cell phone company and get any cell location traces for those period of time? Assuming the cell is on. Can anyone do it or just someone from police department?
SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31
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Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31
#32You should post this at http://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco as well.
/r/sanfrancisco mod here. It's a tough call, and one that Reddit Admins (not mods) have mostly decided for us. The worry is this: an abusive ex could post a "missing persons" alert for someone trying to hide, and get their location. So, we have a rule that a news organization (which has more of an ability to vet a story, as well as a "the cat's already out of the bag" effect) has to cover it before it can be posted –…
Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the things that will get your account banned or your sub-reddit closed is people posting personal information. Reddit admins take it pretty seriously. It's weird what they do and don't care about.
This makes perfect sense, since as a user-generated content community, a large portion (not a majority, but a large part) is in very shady shit. /r/jailbait, /r/thefappening, etc.. But for everything shut down, there are countless others that are still operating, like /r/FacebookCleavage, /r/photoplunder, /r/redpill, /r/greatapes, etc.. Reddit has expressed that it wants to be totally neutral so that it can model a "…
Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
or just drop out of social media without notice, far better than letting know your plans. Its so very easy to vanish in this country if you are smart. Most of those who do only get caught by chance or some stupid act. One recent in Georgia was only caught as part of a traffic stop.
Or the Eric Frein case in Pennsylvania, where the idea of searching abandoned buildings in the area apparently never occurred to the elite state and Federal police agencies. You don't have to be smart to hide from the police... you just have to be smarter than the police. Of course, they have the advantages of unlimited money, unlimited patience, and (apparently) unlimited surveillance power, so staying hidden for th…
Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
/r/sanfrancisco mod here. It's a tough call, and one that Reddit Admins (not mods) have mostly decided for us. The worry is this: an abusive ex could post a "missing persons" alert for someone trying to hide, and get their location. So, we have a rule that a news organization (which has more of an ability to vet a story, as well as a "the cat's already out of the bag" effect) has to cover it before it can be posted –…
That's a very reasonable approach actually.
Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31
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If only it were that easy... my brother went missing in February 2009 and as of today it's still an "ongoing" investigation. I was basically blocked at every turn... In order for to get a cellphone log or trace, the detectives on the case needs to file for a subpoena. A judge will then need to sign off on it which takes 24-48 hours. Following that, they need to submit it to the cellphone company which claims it might…
I severely doubt that if it were a drug investigation, or a cop-killer ala Chris Dorner, the cell company would wait a billing cycle to provide location data. Notice also that nobody needs to file a subpoena. The cell companies can just hand it over, and often do. Because your brother is less important to the police than a drug dealer, they're not willing to blackmail the cell companies.
Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31
#38Just curious for case like this: Can someone take a missing person report from Police department and take it to Cell phone company and get any cell location traces for those period of time? Assuming the cell is on. Can anyone do it or just someone from police department?
If only it were that easy... my brother went missing in February 2009 and as of today it's still an "ongoing" investigation. I was basically blocked at every turn... In order for to get a cellphone log or trace, the detectives on the case needs to file for a subpoena. A judge will then need to sign off on it which takes 24-48 hours. Following that, they need to submit it to the cellphone company which claims it might…
We had a situation a few years ago where a couple kids had skipped school and gone joyriding in a quarry. Their parents contacted the police, who contacted the cell phone company, and the cell company gave them a reasonably accurate fix (I assume this was voluntary on the part of the phone company, given how quickly it happened).
Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31
#39Here's some background:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7048249
http://blog.izs.me/post/72990767417/a-member-of-our-communit...
Re: SF Engineer Dan Ha Has Been Missing Since 10/31
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
If only it were that easy... my brother went missing in February 2009 and as of today it's still an "ongoing" investigation. I was basically blocked at every turn... In order for to get a cellphone log or trace, the detectives on the case needs to file for a subpoena. A judge will then need to sign off on it which takes 24-48 hours. Following that, they need to submit it to the cellphone company which claims it might…
That is (unfortunately) not entirely true. If they have reason to suspect there is an immediate risk of injury or death, they can locate the phone (assuming it's on) with a high degree of accuracy (at the very least, cell tower triangulation, if not GPS activation). We had a situation a few years ago where a couple kids had skipped school and gone joyriding in a quarry. Their parents contacted the police, who contact…