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Post by tn13 »

tripzilch wrote: post #893
tn13 wrote: post #876

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India is a complex country. I can confirm that Gay parties are pretty common where I live. Just the way white people saw native Indians as Savages it is easy for western eyes to perceive India as a very bad land but that is not the case, despite its flaws it is an extremely tolerant society with ability cope with very diverse way of living. Before the savages of west discovered that the idea of gender is not binary a…

> Just the way white people saw native Indians as Savages it is easy for western eyes to perceive India as a very bad land While I somewhat agree with the gist of your post, you might want to reconsider this broad brush with which you're painting both modern "western eyes", and particular bunches of white people who genocided nearly an entire continent a few centuries ago. Substitute nazis/jews/"German eyes" if you d…

The specific generalization was being used to show people how it feels when it is used against them. Personally I dont have a black and white view of the world.

Consider the California textbooks which paint Hinduism as worst savages. There is not even passing mention that the cool things like Yoga and Meditation are Hindu practices on the contrary outright false stories which I believe were put in my missionaries are taught as "Hinduism".

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_textbook_controversy...

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Post by im2w1l »

ScottBurson wrote: post #793
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #413

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I feel there is a big difference between gay equality and what a lot of young men feel like is a shrill feminism that seems to be much more about axe grinding, political correctness, censorship, and entitlements than any sort of drive towards a true equality. After you've been called a potential rapist several times in an academic or workplace setting just for your gender, you stop sympathizing with the modern femini…

> LGBT movements empower both genders, feminism empowers only one. I suppose this is a common misconception, but it is not true. Feminism also frees men from restrictive gender roles. It is feminism that says that men are allowed to cry, to hug one another, to have dreams and hopes and fears. Giving up some privileges -- privileges which are not right for us to have anyway -- is a small price to pay, I believe, for b…

This is not true in my experience. I don't make an effort to follow any gender roles. When I, ten years ago was 15, I showed up for exit ceremony in drag for laughs. And people around me are cool with it. Except one person who has said that I was "not a man". And called me "ett hen," an expression which roughly translates as "genderless abomination".

She calls herself feminist and is responsible for the women’s' network's equal rights week at my university this year.

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Post by [deleted] »

smtddr wrote: post #609
downandout wrote: post #601

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This entire response essentially says that you disagree with his position on the issue. I also disagree with his position on the issue. But here's where we differ. I believe in his right to express his opinion without fear of losing his ability to make a living. You, and the rest of the liberal lynch mob that forced him out, are doing nothing more than suppressing his rights. And thus begins the end of democracy.

>>You, and the rest of the liberal lynch mob that forced him out, are doing nothing more than suppressing his rights. You have to admit, using your rights to take someone else's rights away.... is a dubious position to hold.

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Post by malnourish »

emcrazyone wrote: post #652

I simply don't get why he has to mix this article along with Apple's view of "The company I am so fortunate to lead has long advocated for human rights and equality for all. We’ve taken a strong stand in support of a workplace equality bill before Congress, just as we stood for marriage equality in our home state of California." And in general, I think it's inappropriate to mix personal views with business matters. N…

On top of what Art said, it's simply smart business for him to come out as gay in this manner. Look at all the talk it's generating for him and the company he works for.

And it has positive social consequences to boot.

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Post by EGreg »

lotsofmangos wrote: post #930
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> Such a long slow buildup, and nothing stopped it. ... and that is exactly what scares the shit out of me. This is why I consider history a mandatory reading, more so a critical reading of history, with an eye for the tell tale signs. Playing with elements of hate and is playing with fire. You might recall that India and Pakistan were the same country once. Geopolitically they look different now, but I blame that on…

May I interject here with a heartfelt apology from at least some of the British. Partition was wholly cynical affair following the theory of divide and conquer, most of the negative effects of which were completely intentional and are going to echo for generations. We wanted the situation to be fucked both in and between Pakistan and India as we are following from the Roman theories on empire that fostering group enm…

I have to say that you can see similar dynamics in Mandatory Palestine. After the British troops left there was a civil war between the Jews and Arabs. Jews got their own state and the Arab residents there didn't. But the sheer number of people who are now considered Palestinian makes it difficult for any one nation to solve the refugee problem unilaterally. They are pretty much kept stateless by most countries in that area, for generations.

The British also helped establish the Saudi and Hashemite kingdoms etc. The Syrian King Faisal (someone I think was a really progressive guy) was also installed by the British in Iraq. And all of this happened after the fall of the Ottoman empire.

In that part of the world where religion is very strong, it's interesting to see that democracy always leads to a theocratic government (except in Indonesia where it's so far successfully been separated) and thus the constant struggle against violence, threats to usurp power and human rights oppression.

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Post by pacala »

protonfish wrote: post #134
DanBC wrote: post #84

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Where the homesexual agenda in Disney movies? I'd prefer specific examples rather than just handwavey nonsense.

The last two Disney movies I watched (Frozen and Maleficent) both were resolved not by romantic love of a man and woman, but with the the love between two women. I am NOT saying Ana and Elsa were lesbians, but that Disney seems to be moving away from the prince/princess formula - that the ultimate feat of existence is getting married to someone of the opposite gender. If this is a "homosexual agenda" or not, I say go…

> that the ultimate feat of existence is getting married to someone of the opposite gender.

Close enough. Life is about reproducing, or else we would not be here. +1 for impressionable young girls.

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Post by DasIch »

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Interesting. Maybe I misunderstand you, but every single Dutch person I know refers to mixed race as 'halfbloed', which means half-blood, which, now that I think of it, sounds rather racist.

And yet, you've got Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, a pretty modern book. Of course, that's from the UK, which may have the more classical interpretation of half-blood. Bloodlines sound more like something from royal families and the aristocracy, of which we still have a select few in NL. Baronesses and whatnot. Kinda posh.

Half-Blood is considered to be a huge insult in the books.

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Post by lotsofmangos »

EGreg wrote: post #955
lotsofmangos wrote: post #930

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May I interject here with a heartfelt apology from at least some of the British. Partition was wholly cynical affair following the theory of divide and conquer, most of the negative effects of which were completely intentional and are going to echo for generations. We wanted the situation to be fucked both in and between Pakistan and India as we are following from the Roman theories on empire that fostering group enm…

I have to say that you can see similar dynamics in Mandatory Palestine. After the British troops left there was a civil war between the Jews and Arabs. Jews got their own state and the Arab residents there didn't. But the sheer number of people who are now considered Palestinian makes it difficult for any one nation to solve the refugee problem unilaterally. They are pretty much kept stateless by most countries in th…

As far as the British attitude to the formation of the state of Israel goes, we were utterly cynical in our intent there as well. As Sir Ronald Storrs, the British Military Governor of Jerusalem stated in the early 1920's ;

"It will form for England a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism."

I guess he was right about some of the similarity with Ulster, though perhaps not in the way he intended.

edit - as for democracy leading to theocracy in that part of the world, firstly Indonesia is almost 9,000 km away, and secondly I do not think there has been any recent time where external powers have not been massively fucking about round there, so you cannot really draw any conclusions about this being a feature of the local culture.

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Post by Ryoku »

jayrox wrote: post #514
socialist_coder wrote: post #126

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"Thank God it's not raining" is completely different from saying "... the greatest gifts God has given me." The first is just a frivolous small talk type comment. Non-religious people would say this. It's part of the common US vocabulary. The second is much more serious, and the speaker is actually thanking God for how he is. A non-religious person would never say it. Religious people do this type of thing all the ti…

the jesus fish is always the one i get a small smirk when i see. quick google: http://www.albatrus.org/english/religions/pagan/origin_fish_...

I am entertained by the relation between the last two quotes in the article.

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Post by P4u1 »

ArtDev wrote: post #946
emcrazyone wrote: post #652

I simply don't get why he has to mix this article along with Apple's view of "The company I am so fortunate to lead has long advocated for human rights and equality for all. We’ve taken a strong stand in support of a workplace equality bill before Congress, just as we stood for marriage equality in our home state of California." And in general, I think it's inappropriate to mix personal views with business matters. N…

Why does it matter? Because of intolerance. The tech community needs a good hard look in the mirror. Most of us are white, straight and male.

I work in a tech company and most of our men are gay, seriously. Take a look around man, it might come as a surprise for you but gays are everywhere, IT included. By the way since when is this news(for hacker news)? Did anyone here not know he's gay(honest question)?
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