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Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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Post by erk_ »

contingencies wrote: post #57

This is the part where I make a long statement urging apolitical youth to give a shit. Facts first. CSC is a core part of the military industrial complex. They make mass surveillance databases and military systems and are active globally. Gottfrid pissed off the both the MPAA and the US military/government. Look what they did to kimdotcom in total violation of law ... the NZ PM had to apologise personally. Gottfrid w…

>ex-king kept a harem (it's now a bakery/hotel: I stayed in it)

what ex-king are you talking about?

>and where the authorities don't need a warrant to track your phone's location over the last year.

not anymore the EU court said in April that it was illegal[0]

[0]http://www.b.dk/tech/kaempe-overvaagning-af-danskerne-kendt-...! (in danish)

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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Post by pluma »

tzs wrote: post #32
at-fates-hands wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>> What's the longest anyone's actually served in custody for breaking into computers in the US, and what's the median sentence actually served? Here's a list for you: http://www.fierceitsecurity.com/story/hackers-chains-13-bigg... Up until this week it was Albert Gonzalez for got 20 years for his role in the TJX retail break in. Remember, these are federal sentencing guidelines so no time off for good behavior. You…

> Remember, these are federal sentencing guidelines so no time off for good behavior. You get sentenced to 20 years, you do 20 years, period. That's not correct. See 18 USC 3624. You can get up 54 days credit for good behavior toward your sentence per year served.

So 20 years is "merely" 17-20 years. Yay.

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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Post by olau »

jlouis wrote: post #35

Random guesses from a Dane about tomorrow where the length of the sentence is to be determined. You can come back in 24 hours and vote based on the real outcome of a couple of these points, hehe: - Anakata will get a sentence somewhere in the upper middle. My guess is 4-5 years of which he has already served some. - JT will get a somewhat mild sentence of nothing higher than 1 year. The case against him is pretty wea…

In case anyone's interested: You've got it mostly right. Warg was sentenced to 3.5 years. The sentence was appealed on the spot, but they're not going to release him as they think it's likely he's going to flee the country.

JT was sentenced to 6 months, so he's entitled to compensation.

Source: http://www.version2.dk/artikel/tre-et-halvt-aars-faengsel-ti...

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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Post by tmmm »

phaer wrote: post #64
tmmm wrote: post #55

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If there was no jail time, then everyone would try to do that (What could be the worst scenario - just losing all your stolen money). That wouldn't work.

The worst case scenario, at least in many european countries, would actually be that you loose all your stolen money and that your future income above a state-defined 'existence minimum' is automatically seized. Prison, on the other hand, means that society spends a lot of money to make your live worse without any obvious advantage, at least for non-violent crimes.

> The worst case scenario, at least in many european countries, would actually be that you loose all your stolen money and that your future income above a state-defined 'existence minimum' is automatically seized

Yes, and that's a nice solution.

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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Post by netcan »

fooqux wrote: post #65
netcan wrote: post #60

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There may also be people you had a drink with to whom I have no connection to whatsoever. It's not disqualifying but it is a piece of information.

Generally, information that has absolutely no merit in a court case isn't allowed in the courtroom because (I presume) it can subconsciously alter a person's judgement of the proceedings. Assuming a retweet is the full extent of their "friendship", this is the real-world equivalent of dismissing an expert witness because the defendant quoted them in a paper once.

This is actually kind of interesting.

Something like a tweet is context dependent. Some people tweet mostly to their friends and a lot of retweets are in fact indicative of a personal relationship. It will often be easy to estimate for a twitter user, but very hard to make objective enough to work as evidence in court.

Do they have just 12 or 12000 followers? Are they tweeting personal tidbits or politics & jokes? etc. These things can add up to an very informed guess.

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

mixmax wrote: post #20

The courtcase has been followed closely by the Danish media, especially the tech-savvy version2.dk that has had a reporter in the courtroom every day of the trial. It has caused quite a stir as all sorts of problems with CSC, the prosecutor and police investigation came to light during the hearings. Some highlights: - CSC, that handles a large part of Danish infrastructure including social security numbers, police ba…

Isn't that litany of vandalism enough to convict? He's meddled with public safety systems. No less serious than destroying traffic signs or cutting the phone lines to the fire department. Lack of security isn't any kind of defense e.g. just because phone lines are not hardened against tampering doesn't mean its OK to cut them.

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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Post by tedunangst »

mikecb wrote: post #66
tedunangst wrote: post #47

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Shimomura and Mitnick.... ... ......

Shimomura was successfully prosecuted?

Other way around. I have heard people seriously claim that Shimomura framed Mitnick, though I won't speak to how likely that is.

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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Post by tptacek »

tedunangst wrote: post #77
mikecb wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shimomura was successfully prosecuted?

Other way around. I have heard people seriously claim that Shimomura framed Mitnick, though I won't speak to how likely that is.

A pretty hard claim for him to make himself at this point:

https://www.mitnicksecurity.com/about/kevin-mitnick-worlds-m...

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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Post by rayiner »

netcan wrote: post #75
fooqux wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally, information that has absolutely no merit in a court case isn't allowed in the courtroom because (I presume) it can subconsciously alter a person's judgement of the proceedings. Assuming a retweet is the full extent of their "friendship", this is the real-world equivalent of dismissing an expert witness because the defendant quoted them in a paper once.

This is actually kind of interesting. Something like a tweet is context dependent. Some people tweet mostly to their friends and a lot of retweets are in fact indicative of a personal relationship. It will often be easy to estimate for a twitter user, but very hard to make objective enough to work as evidence in court. Do they have just 12 or 12000 followers? Are they tweeting personal tidbits or politics & jokes? et…

In the U.S. The admissibility of evidence is based on relevance.[1] The modern formulation asks: does consideration of a piece of evidence increase or decrease the probability of some material fact being true?

A retweet is certainly relevant. The evidence makes it more likely that two people are friends than the baseline where there is no retweet.

[1] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_under_Bayes_theorem

Re: Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg faces lengthy jail term

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Post by phaer »

tmmm wrote: post #74
phaer wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The worst case scenario, at least in many european countries, would actually be that you loose all your stolen money and that your future income above a state-defined 'existence minimum' is automatically seized. Prison, on the other hand, means that society spends a lot of money to make your live worse without any obvious advantage, at least for non-violent crimes.

> The worst case scenario, at least in many european countries, would actually be that you loose all your stolen money and that your future income above a state-defined 'existence minimum' is automatically seized Yes, and that's a nice solution.

I agree but that's in stark contrast to your original comment.
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