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Post by scentoni »

code4life wrote: post #653
arnarbi wrote: post #367

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Millions of Christians don't take the Bible as the literal word of God. Several Christian churches have no problem with blessing the marriage of gay couples. A Christian is just someone who believes in Jesus Christ as a messiah. You are referring to something much more specific.

A christian is someone that believes in the teachings of Jesus Christ, namely salvation and sanctification. We come to salvation by believing Jesus Christ is God and his teachings are absolute, and that he is the Word of God, the Bible. We come to sanctification by striving daily to know God more, which happens through the indwelling Holy Spirit we receive during salvation and happens by reading and applying the Word…

All the words attributed to Jesus about the sinfulness of homosexuality: ""

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Post by WildUtah »

argonaut wrote: post #721
srean wrote: post #567

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> I really doubt this. You have not been frequenting the right places then. Come to Bombay, come to Delhi, its a frequent sight outside the gay bars, more so in Bombay than Delhi. Have to admit that the first time I saw it I was indeed caught by surprise. In some places you might get beaten up (yeah even possibly by the cops), or have acid thrown at your face (this punishment is reserved exclusive for women and appli…

> EDIT: Yep!! some downvotes on all of my comments on this thread. I downvoted you because mentioning how you've been downvoted is quite possibly one of the most dull things you can say on HN.

"I downvoted you because mentioning how you've been downvoted is quite possibly one of the most dull things you can say on HN."

I downvoted you to agree with this sentiment.

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Post by thisrod »

ForrestN wrote: post #235

I am incredibly grateful to Cook for this, not least because of how it will affect young gay people. When I was a child, I felt generally good about myself. I was reasonably smart, well-spoken, curious, and so on, and I wanted to do something important with my life. Some nagging part of me suspected I was gay from very early on, but I resisted it intensely. I wasn't really afraid of being mistreated, although I proba…

It's an interesting coincidence for Mr Cook to come out alongside the movie adaptation of Alan Turing: The Enigma. When I was an undergrad in the 90s, that book was the only obvious story about an out geek, and it was far more cathartic than comforting.

After that, some happier stories started to appear. Eric Allman and Marshall McKusick dropped by the university queer room incognito. There were some movies, Beautiful Thing and Get Real, where people were gay and nothing much happened. That was a big deal then, but I assumed it would all sound corny 20 years later.

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Post by mariodiana »

notjackma wrote: post #396
angersock wrote: post #380

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Eich participated in a public system in an approved way at a political level, did so without letting his politics get in the way of his personal or professional life, and made functional programming ubiquitous. There's nothing wrong with what he did given that he didn't let that view (in the abstract) color his personal interactions. And, let us note, it's all speculation on this point as to what or why he did it, be…

> Tim Cook continued contracts with Foxconn with the sole goal of minimizing production costs by using underpaid overworked labor I'm going to upvote you for this. Just because Tim Cook is gay doesn't make him Mother Teresa. He seems quite happy in promoting brutal Victorian style work-houses because it's "over there". Out of sight, out of mind. He's quite the hypocrite. He's also no better or worse then the operatio…

How many millions of Chinese are still scratching out a living from the dirt -- literally? People living in abject poverty would love to have Western industry set up a factory, or provide the contracts to give work to a factory in the first place, so that they could leave their 14th century villages and way of life.

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Post by lotsofmangos »

code4life wrote: post #653
arnarbi wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Millions of Christians don't take the Bible as the literal word of God. Several Christian churches have no problem with blessing the marriage of gay couples. A Christian is just someone who believes in Jesus Christ as a messiah. You are referring to something much more specific.

A christian is someone that believes in the teachings of Jesus Christ, namely salvation and sanctification. We come to salvation by believing Jesus Christ is God and his teachings are absolute, and that he is the Word of God, the Bible. We come to sanctification by striving daily to know God more, which happens through the indwelling Holy Spirit we receive during salvation and happens by reading and applying the Word…

Lots, possibly most Christians, consider the bible to be a heavily edited political work containing aspects of revelation. Some Christians explicitly deny the bible as a historical work and even go as far as to refuse to base their beliefs on the idea that Jesus had to exist, Jefferson being a notable example. For my money, I am in agreement with him that Paul's stuff shouldn't be trusted as far as you could throw it, but then I am not a Christian.

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

notjackma wrote: post #765
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #746

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From the poll I cited: The maximum sampling error estimates for results based on the overall sample of 834 registered voters have a sampling error of +/- 3.5 percentage points, while findings from the random subsample of 415 voters have a sampling error of +/- 5.0 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2443.pdf FiveThirtyEight rates Field Poll (at least for poli…

We're going to have to agree to disagree - I think 834 people is too small a sample size to draw any conclusions. Btw, if the campaign for "marriage equality" were truly about equality, it would also include polygamous heterosexual families in Utah looking for recognition in law, as well as religions where marriage partners can be under 18. Thus the campaign for "marriage equality" has a narrow definition of equality…

As Daniel Patrick Moynihan once put it, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Spend a few minutes reading about polling methodologies and playing around with a sample size calculator. California's number of registered voters was around 18.25 million in 2012. Put in 19 million if you're feeling generous to your own opinions.

Also, all 50 states allow minors to wed with parental consent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_United_State...

    Thus the campaign for "marriage equality" has
    a narrow definition of equality and should be
    renamed the campaign for "same-sex marriage".
Sure, ok, whatever.

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Post by general_failure »

otterley wrote: post #404
linguafranca wrote: post #353

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The self-evident fact that homosexuality is contrary to nature should be sufficient substance.

There's nothing self-evident about that at all. All species of animals have a homosexual population; this has been observed in the wild as well as with domestic species (dogs, etc.). To be sure, it is a minority behavior, but "contrary to nature" is stretching it.

Interesting. Source?

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Post by [deleted] »

phkahler wrote: post #476
protonfish wrote: post #134

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The last two Disney movies I watched (Frozen and Maleficent) both were resolved not by romantic love of a man and woman, but with the the love between two women. I am NOT saying Ana and Elsa were lesbians, but that Disney seems to be moving away from the prince/princess formula - that the ultimate feat of existence is getting married to someone of the opposite gender. If this is a "homosexual agenda" or not, I say go…

>> The last two Disney movies I watched (Frozen and Maleficent) both were resolved not by romantic love of a man and woman, but with the the love between two women. Have not see Maleficent, but I have heard nuts claiming Frozen was some kind of pro-gay film. It is resolved by (non-romantic) love between family members. I saw the movie twice in theater with my kid and couldn't find ANY indication of gay-ness. Anna end…

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Post by jshevek »

delecti wrote: post #759
jshevek wrote: post #666

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I don't understand how your comment relates to mine. Are you saying that if someone wants to "know god", they are likely to conclude that god does, indeed, sit around saying " This one is gonna be gay! and this one will be straight!"?

If one truly considers their god to be the all-knowing and all-powerful creator of the universe, its rules, and everything in it, then it is an inescapable conclusion that the sexuality of every being in the universe is something that It allowed to come to be.

Would that line of thought not also apply to murder, rape, genocide, etc etc ?
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