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I am a white male married to a black female with 2 mixed kids living in Texas. While we haven't experienced much bigotry our way, it has happened. The first time I was filled with disbelief and shortly after rage while my wife (then gf) cried. Our lives would be different if we were born a generation ago. Thank you MLK and Tim Cook.

Wow. I feel so sorry for you that you live in a supposedly civilized country and you have to live with that.

What a shame.

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Congrats to Tim! I've been waiting for this for a while. I've wondered though if he will have any problems traveling to foreign countries now. I don't know how much he travels, but, Russia has some bad anti-gay propaganda laws so there's at least one semi-important country to avoid.

anti-(gay propaganda), to be exact

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It looks like we had similar experiences. I had no model of "gay" that resembled me, and almost everyone around me was aggressively straight. Even considering the idea of being gay made me uncomfortable. So much changed in the last year that I felt safe thinking about it, and it was obvious in retrospect.

Well, there's always Newton. We don't really know his sexual orientation, but it was probably either gay or asexual.

Newton did make advances towards women as a schoolboy in Lincoln, but never persisted.

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Yes, you will possibly be downvoted, but not because your opinion dissents with the majority. There are plenty of dissenting opinions on HN who get upvoted to the top, as long as they're well argued and informed. You will be downvoted because your comment has no substance to it. The only claim you make is "we know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society", and it isn't backed up by any meaningful conversa…

The self-evident fact that homosexuality is contrary to nature should be sufficient substance.

There's nothing self-evident about that at all. All species of animals have a homosexual population; this has been observed in the wild as well as with domestic species (dogs, etc.). To be sure, it is a minority behavior, but "contrary to nature" is stretching it.

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Yes, you will possibly be downvoted, but not because your opinion dissents with the majority. There are plenty of dissenting opinions on HN who get upvoted to the top, as long as they're well argued and informed. You will be downvoted because your comment has no substance to it. The only claim you make is "we know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society", and it isn't backed up by any meaningful conversa…

The self-evident fact that homosexuality is contrary to nature should be sufficient substance.

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But why base a field on only one person> Because Alan Turing is the father of computer science. Basically everything that came after depended crucially on his work.

George Boole, Charles Babbage, John von Neumann, Grace Hopper - To name a few great contributors. Yes Alan Turing is considered the father of computer science but with out the knowledge of others before him (and even during his time) we could be living in a different world right now. Even the late, great Isaac Newton said - [1]"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." 1. https://en.wikipe…

To put it a different way: Turing was necessary, but not sufficient. We needed him, and the entire field is built on his work. But his is not the only contribution; indeed, many others needed to also contribute to be sufficient for the field we know today.

In this light, it seems the original comment is correct.

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Yep. Now if only we could remind people that there's nothing wrong with having an unpopular opinion. After all, Brendan Eich has done more for computing than Cook ever will.

Brendan Eich is entitled to his opinion, and a large not for profit is entitled not to want someone with that opinion as a figurehead. As for who has done more for what — web browsers were going to have a scripting language. Is Javascript so astoundingly good that we can only assume any alternative would have been worse?

No kidding, if not for Eich we might have a scripting language with integers.

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Perhaps because everyone who cares/matters already knew, there isn't really a point in denying or hiding it anymore. A month or two ago some journalist accidentally said it on air if I remember correctly.

Yep on CNBC i believe( I hate that channel,it's just ridiculous). What was stupid is that one journalist said T.Cook was gay,others insisted he wasnt.Like "noooooooooooo he's not!" multiple times. That sums up the whole NBC network for me. Frankly,nobody cared about Jobs sexual life,and he did a good job at shielding his family from the media frenzy.

> Frankly, nobody cared about Jobs sexual life

Uh, yeah they did. The Lisa Brennan-Jobs paternity thing was a serious black eye for Steve.

https://www.google.com/search?q=steve+jobs+paternity

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This made me well up inside. Being from a country that considers homosexuality to be illegal (India) and having a close friend who left that country as well as his religion (Islam) solely due to being gay, I applaud this man's spirit. It is not only the government that must accept equality of different ways, but so must society. Religion, culture and political climates are no reason to deny fundamental human freedoms…

Certainly Article 377 is bad and so was the Supreme Court judgement ("[only] 200 people" being the nadir, see http://www.outlookindia.com/article/The-Unbearable-Wrongness...), but given that people still have issues with religious, caste, same-gotra, etc marriage, might not India have to tackle those first?

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I am incredibly grateful to Cook for this, not least because of how it will affect young gay people. When I was a child, I felt generally good about myself. I was reasonably smart, well-spoken, curious, and so on, and I wanted to do something important with my life. Some nagging part of me suspected I was gay from very early on, but I resisted it intensely. I wasn't really afraid of being mistreated, although I proba…

Agreed. I was in a similar boat. My first exposure to the term "lesbian" was a flash cartoon that had a throwaway gag about a butch woman who lived in the sewer and ate children—I remember going home and crying because I strongly suspected that that's what I was, once the other kids explained what the term meant, and I didn't want to end up having to move underground and away from all my friends once I grew up. (This…

> It's really good that young gay people to have so many prominent and positive role models now,

Agree! Though as an avid sports fan, I'm disappointed in the sports world for not embracing this topic. With so many professional athletes odds are in favour of many a house hold name being gay, yet there are only a small handful of sports people that are openly gay.

It is inspiring that Tim Cook has done this, and I really hope top athletes look to this and follow suit. Tim Cook will positively influence many, but not as many as say, Michael Jordan or Christiano Ronaldo.

I suppose this is yet another example of our industry being thought leaders.

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