Tim Cook Speaks Up • Hacker News Board

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by meepmorp » Thu, Oct 30, 2014, 2:18 PM UTC

learnstats2 wrote: post #203

Mahn wrote: post #8

I wish we lived in a society where people weren't pressured into "publically acknowledge" their sexual orientation just because it's different than the norm. You don't see heterosexual CEOs publically acknowledging they are banging their wife, why should it be different for other sexual orientations? Just let everyone be.

What? I hear about straight male CEO's relationships all the freaking time, probably more than I hear anything else about them. Here's just one example: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/16/business/la-fi-0416-... Do you really need a list? This is important because gay people have not been allowed representation or public acknowledgement. Until this month there were 0 openly gay CEOs but hundreds of openly straig…

I think the Sean Parker wedding was notable because of its extravagance and the somewhat douchey behavior he showed in its staging and execution.

But, I agre otherwise with your point.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by crazypyro » Thu, Oct 30, 2014, 2:18 PM UTC

natch wrote: post #224

oracuk wrote: post #137

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It was one of our (many) great failings and as a nation we have accepted that: Prime Ministers Apology: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/11/pm-apology-to-a... Royal Pardon: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/10536246/Al...

Is it possible to knight someone posthumously? Has this happened?

No. No. In fact, in past times ( of kings and queens), one man was killed in a battle and his brother was given a much higher title because you cannot give the honorable title to a deceased individual.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by scragg » Thu, Oct 30, 2014, 2:18 PM UTC

goatforce5 wrote: post #207

efaref wrote: post #61

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If they won't buy Apple products because the CEO is gay, they probably shouldn't buy any computers at all, seeing as the entire field is built on the work of a gay man.

I saw a bunch of these Android pride shirts around Toronto Pride a few months back: https://www.googlestore.com/Google+Redesign/Brands/Android/A... Quick, homophobes! Burn your Android phones!

I also saw their new "And You" ad on broadcast TV which features a gay couple getting married. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmgMe2STL0

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by j2kun » Thu, Oct 30, 2014, 2:19 PM UTC

computerjunkie wrote: post #189

efaref wrote: post #61

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If they won't buy Apple products because the CEO is gay, they probably shouldn't buy any computers at all, seeing as the entire field is built on the work of a gay man.

>>> seeing as the entire field is built on the work of a gay man. That's a rather inaccurate, cringe worthy and generic statement. If your saying only one person contributed to the field of computers in 2014, that's sad. We tend to glorify individuals in the eyes of media and forget [1]others who contributed to where we are today in technology. [1] http://www.computerhope.com/people/ - list of people who have contrib…

But why base a field on only one person>

Because Alan Turing is the father of computer science. Basically everything that came after depended crucially on his work.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by quux » Thu, Oct 30, 2014, 2:20 PM UTC

andrewthornton wrote: post #194

What kind of chair is he sitting on in the first image?

It's a Freedom Chair by Humanscale

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by wtbob » Thu, Oct 30, 2014, 2:20 PM UTC

chrisBob wrote: post #159

GI_Josh wrote: post #107

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I'm no expert, but I suspect this is just referring to work "at will" states, where you can be fired without being given a reason. Thus, it could actually be for anything: Your orientation, your work performance, that ugly shirt you wore yesterday. Doesn't matter.

The issue is that there are specific protections for things like age, race and religion, but not sexual orientation. I consider orientation, like race, to be something that you are born with that deserves the same protections.

Of course, there's a huge difference between orientation and behaviour. One can't help how one's born, but one can help how one behaves.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by worklogin » Thu, Oct 30, 2014, 2:21 PM UTC

Kudos wrote: post #139

DanBC wrote: post #84

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Where the homesexual agenda in Disney movies? I'd prefer specific examples rather than just handwavey nonsense.

> homesexual agenda Agenda? People only use that term when they're trying to imply something is somehow pushing homosexuality on the weak minded.

Aren't you? Whether it's good or not, aren't you pushing homosexuality on everyone, saying, "It's not OK to disapprove of our lifestyle"?

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by mkr-hn » Thu, Oct 30, 2014, 2:21 PM UTC

ForrestN wrote: post #235

I am incredibly grateful to Cook for this, not least because of how it will affect young gay people. When I was a child, I felt generally good about myself. I was reasonably smart, well-spoken, curious, and so on, and I wanted to do something important with my life. Some nagging part of me suspected I was gay from very early on, but I resisted it intensely. I wasn't really afraid of being mistreated, although I proba…

It looks like we had similar experiences. I had no model of "gay" that resembled me, and almost everyone around me was aggressively straight. Even considering the idea of being gay made me uncomfortable. So much changed in the last year that I felt safe thinking about it, and it was obvious in retrospect.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by crazypyro » Thu, Oct 30, 2014, 2:21 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #196

emodendroket wrote: post #181

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To me this is like saying if you've ever written a bug into production software it should be career-limiting.

Disclosures of that nature are not at the same order as writing bugs into production software.

Except a bug in production software can disclose that same thing, except on a much more massive scale than a human? Almost any mistake a human can make can be translated into software and expanded by many magnitudes with a software bug.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by computerjunkie » Thu, Oct 30, 2014, 2:21 PM UTC

colinramsay wrote: post #18

Strangely enough I'd see pictures of him at some gay pride thing and it never even occurred to me he might be gay. I think, more accurately, it didn't trigger anything in my brain that thought it mattered either way. Obviously this is the way it should be! It seems like Tim Cook isn't under any pressure to publicly announce this, so it seems he's doing it as a way of leveraging his position to help others who are exp…

>>> it didn't trigger anything in my brain that thought it mattered either way

This. It doesn't matter at all. Its great that people are embracing their sexuality, but there was no need to come out to the press about it. It doesn't change the way I see Apple as a company or even Tim Cook. He is still the same person before and after this article.