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Post by efaref »

computerjunkie wrote: post #277
j2kun wrote: post #254

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But why base a field on only one person> Because Alan Turing is the father of computer science. Basically everything that came after depended crucially on his work.

George Boole, Charles Babbage, John von Neumann, Grace Hopper - To name a few great contributors. Yes Alan Turing is considered the father of computer science but with out the knowledge of others before him (and even during his time) we could be living in a different world right now. Even the late, great Isaac Newton said - [1]"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." 1. https://en.wikipe…

Of course, Turing was one of many. But he was one, and that's enough to make the homophobes run for the hills.

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Post by mkr-hn »

wefarrell wrote: post #300
ForrestN wrote: post #235

I am incredibly grateful to Cook for this, not least because of how it will affect young gay people. When I was a child, I felt generally good about myself. I was reasonably smart, well-spoken, curious, and so on, and I wanted to do something important with my life. Some nagging part of me suspected I was gay from very early on, but I resisted it intensely. I wasn't really afraid of being mistreated, although I proba…

"There hasn't been a gay President" http://www.salon.com/2012/05/14/our_real_first_gay_president...

Homosexuality was still a crime in his day (up to 2003), so I doubt it was well-known if this is true.

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Post by Thesaurus »

Tim Cook is literally one of the worst CEOs Apple could possibly have. That's really cute that he came out and did his little PR stunt. Who fucking cares, he never actually does any work for the company.

>Hey Tim, wanna back-port the bash patch to older Macs?

>I gotta go on CNN and parade my sexuality around, I'll get back to you on that :^)

The fucking loser sits on excel min/maxing bullshit numbers for shit that really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. He never talks to anybody, just sits in his office all day long. Complete introvert that is literally just a waste of space. He can't even thru-hole solder. The biggest mistake Jobs ever make in his life was putting this subhuman in charge of something he has no clue how to control. Cook is kill, the company has no future.

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Post by coke12 »

blktiger wrote: post #298
dodyg wrote: post #121

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Tim Cook is a Christian. This is a message to the Church.

I have a hard time thinking of anyone as Christian if they ignore the basic tenants of what the Bible says. Homosexuality is very clearly spelled out as wrong. So are plenty of other things of course and the Bible doesn't specify homosexual behavior as any more or less wrong than any other sinful act. Christians shouldn't be treating homosexuals any different than anyone else, but that includes letting people know th…

> I have a hard time thinking of anyone as Christian if they ignore the basic tenants of what the Bible says.

You can be an adulterer and a Christian. You can commit any sin imaginable and still consider yourself a Christian. Homosexuality is no different.

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Post by psuter »

wefarrell wrote: post #300
ForrestN wrote: post #235

I am incredibly grateful to Cook for this, not least because of how it will affect young gay people. When I was a child, I felt generally good about myself. I was reasonably smart, well-spoken, curious, and so on, and I wanted to do something important with my life. Some nagging part of me suspected I was gay from very early on, but I resisted it intensely. I wasn't really afraid of being mistreated, although I proba…

"There hasn't been a gay President" http://www.salon.com/2012/05/14/our_real_first_gay_president...

What an excellent article, thanks for sharing.

    "Despite such evidence, one reason why Americans find it hard to believe Buchanan
     could have been gay is that we have a touching belief in progress. Our high
     school history textbooks’ overall story line is, “We started out great and have
     been getting better ever since,” more or less automatically. Thus we must be
     more tolerant now than we were way back in the middle of the 19th century!
     Buchanan could not have been gay then, else we would not seem more tolerant now."

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Post by smcl »

untog wrote: post #329
wefarrell wrote: post #300

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"There hasn't been a gay President" http://www.salon.com/2012/05/14/our_real_first_gay_president...

Shrug. There hasn't been a publicly gay President, which is what would in the context the OP is discussing.

If by "President" you mean the equivalent "head of a country's government" role then Iceland elected an openly gay Prime Minister in 2009[0]. But I'm guessing you're all meaning "US President"

[0] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7862804.stm

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Post by mkr-hn »

wtbob wrote: post #256
chrisBob wrote: post #159

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The issue is that there are specific protections for things like age, race and religion, but not sexual orientation. I consider orientation, like race, to be something that you are born with that deserves the same protections.

Of course, there's a huge difference between orientation and behaviour. One can't help how one's born, but one can help how one behaves.

There's no good reason for an employer to require me to be celibate and single for life.

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Post by GuiA »

linguafranca wrote: post #328

This is the culture I was brought up in. This kind of article is the reason I grew up believing there was nothing wrong with homosexuality. Since every single other comment here is inevitably going to be some kind of applause and praise, let me briefly offer the perspective of some who have been silenced on HN and in the general tech world. We know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society. While we love T…

Yes, you will possibly be downvoted, but not because your opinion dissents with the majority. There are plenty of dissenting opinions on HN who get upvoted to the top, as long as they're well argued and informed.

You will be downvoted because your comment has no substance to it. The only claim you make is "we know that homosexuality is a destructive force in society", and it isn't backed up by any meaningful conversation or argument. The rest of your writing is just fluff around this statement.

Sadly, you can't back up such a statement with any meaningful prose, just the same way you can't back up "we know that blue eyed people are a destructive force to society" or "we know that people over 6ft are a destructive force to society".

If you hold equality and respect for your fellow human being as first principles, which many people on HN do, you can't logically derive "homosexual people are a destructive force to society" in any meaningful way.

That is way your comment will probably be downvoted.

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Post by lotharbot »

Arnor wrote: post #276
worklogin wrote: post #257

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Aren't you? Whether it's good or not, aren't you pushing homosexuality on everyone, saying, "It's not OK to disapprove of our lifestyle"?

No... They simply acknowledge that the roughly 4% of the population that identify with the LGBT community exists. It's a pretty far push from acknowledging existence to "pushing homosexuality on everyone." I'll leave as an exercise to the reader to identify the mental gymnastics required to come up with the phrase: "pushing homosexuality on everyone"

there are those who are trying to require religious organizations to perform same-sex weddings. I think that qualifies as "pushing"...

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Post by nailer »

gergles wrote: post #157
nailer wrote: post #111

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I don't share Eich's views, but he's 58 - the cultural concepts that made it difficult for Tim Cook to be public about his sexuality may be the same thing that makes Eich against gay marriage. Edit: I can't comment due to rate limits, but a poster below hasn't read what I wrote above and is suggesting I am saying the men grew up in different times. I am suggesting the exact opposite: they grew up in the SAME period/c…

Tim Cook is 53. Are you suggesting there's some sort of swell change that occurred in 5 years?

No, the opposite - I assume most people know Tim Cook is around the age most CEOs are. Both men grew up in a time where homosexuality was considered to be immoral. Growing up in such an environment ingrains those beliefs, hence gay people coming out in their 50s and other men in their 50s who are surrounded by people that accept gay relationships still not being comfortable with that.

Off topic, it kind of bothers me that I got mischaracterised and couldn't reply for such a long time due to the silly HN rate limit.

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