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> homesexual agenda Agenda? People only use that term when they're trying to imply something is somehow pushing homosexuality on the weak minded.

Aren't you? Whether it's good or not, aren't you pushing homosexuality on everyone, saying, "It's not OK to disapprove of our lifestyle"?

What "lifestyle" is that, pray tell?

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gay or nay; who cares?! As long as he is not a gay rapist, nobody has a reason to mind at all.

The longer gay and non-gay keep asking for special attention for it, the longer it stays a problem.

Saying god gave you the gift of being gay?! That's just freaky weird imho.

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post #139

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> homesexual agenda Agenda? People only use that term when they're trying to imply something is somehow pushing homosexuality on the weak minded.

Aren't you? Whether it's good or not, aren't you pushing homosexuality on everyone, saying, "It's not OK to disapprove of our lifestyle"?

The context of someone saying "homosexual agenda" is generally "they're trying to convert our children!" paranoia, not just general disapproval.

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I am a white male married to a black female with 2 mixed kids living in Texas. While we haven't experienced much bigotry our way, it has happened. The first time I was filled with disbelief and shortly after rage while my wife (then gf) cried.

Our lives would be different if we were born a generation ago. Thank you MLK and Tim Cook.

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post #139

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> homesexual agenda Agenda? People only use that term when they're trying to imply something is somehow pushing homosexuality on the weak minded.

Aren't you? Whether it's good or not, aren't you pushing homosexuality on everyone, saying, "It's not OK to disapprove of our lifestyle"?

No... They simply acknowledge that the roughly 4% of the population that identify with the LGBT community exists. It's a pretty far push from acknowledging existence to "pushing homosexuality on everyone." I'll leave as an exercise to the reader to identify the mental gymnastics required to come up with the phrase: "pushing homosexuality on everyone"

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>>> seeing as the entire field is built on the work of a gay man. That's a rather inaccurate, cringe worthy and generic statement. If your saying only one person contributed to the field of computers in 2014, that's sad. We tend to glorify individuals in the eyes of media and forget [1]others who contributed to where we are today in technology. [1] http://www.computerhope.com/people/ - list of people who have contrib…

But why base a field on only one person> Because Alan Turing is the father of computer science. Basically everything that came after depended crucially on his work.

George Boole, Charles Babbage, John von Neumann, Grace Hopper

- To name a few great contributors. Yes Alan Turing is considered the father of computer science but with out the knowledge of others before him (and even during his time) we could be living in a different world right now.

Even the late, great Isaac Newton said - [1]"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_g...

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> Being opposed to gay marriage does not imply being against homosexuals. How is that even possible? How is enforcing legal restrictions against a minority class of people not inherently discriminatory?

> How is enforcing legal restrictions against a minority class of people not inherently discriminatory? That's begging the question: you're assuming that failure to recognise a homosexual relationship is a legal restriction, which really doesn't make sense. I can declare myself King of England, no-one in America will recognise me as such, but that doesn't impose any legal restriction on me. There's the side issue of…

That's a cool view, but not how it works. The 'side issue' you dismiss is really the center of it: the government denies full participation to a class of people based on a questionable moral stance. Anything less that recognition is a 'back of the bus' argument: if the bus goes to the same place, why do you care if you have to sit in the back?

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Well played, this surely can help because even many of the homophobic idiots recognize in Tim Cook a role model, and can start questioning their ideas about diversity.

that's a hell of a freudian typo there champ, the question is: are you going to leave it in for posterity?

Sorry what typo? I'm not a native english speaker and I want to fix it.

EDIT: Thanks for correcting me, sorry. Just to put things in the right context, for me homophobia is unacceptable, so I would never misspelled his surname for a joke or alike.

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post #139

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> homesexual agenda Agenda? People only use that term when they're trying to imply something is somehow pushing homosexuality on the weak minded.

Aren't you? Whether it's good or not, aren't you pushing homosexuality on everyone, saying, "It's not OK to disapprove of our lifestyle"?

People don't call civil rights or women's rights "agendas," they call them "movements." Agenda is pejorative, pertaining to "underlying intentions"; whereas movement directly refers to the act of changing, and in other fields such as music indicates a progression or forward dynamic. Portraying gay people in media could have an advertising "agenda" (e.g. they have an intention of selling things by appearing gay friendly or progressive with respect to modern culture rather than an intention of advancing gay rights), but are still progressive in that media portrayals of gay people actually is a change, or forward progression, for a minority group.
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