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Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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To me this is like saying if you've ever written a bug into production software it should be career-limiting.

A more apt comparison would be to accidentally reveal a hidden feature of your application to the public.

It's apt because it's a small mistake with potentially bad consequences that is just an inevitable result of the work.

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Well played, this surely can help because even many of the homophobic idiots recognize in Tim Cook a role model, and can start questioning their ideas about diversity.

that's a hell of a freudian typo there champ, the question is: are you going to leave it in for posterity?

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Well played, this surely can help because even many of the homophobic idiots recognize in Tim Cook a role model, and can start questioning their ideas about diversity.

Sadly, that's not how cognitive dissonance works. When people receive new information that conflicts with their existing beliefs they very rarely update their beliefs. Instead, they tend to either question the credibility of the new information or downplay its significance.

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I'm sorry to tell you this, but your ignorance of religion and monotheism is astounding. Reading your comments it is very apparent that you take any mention of a belief in God to mean a follower of the American branch of reformist protestant Christianity with biblical literalism. That is a very broad brush, as the fundamentalists literalists are a tiny part of Christianity and of broader monotheism. They make up abou…

You know I don't really care if people are literalist fundamentalist bible thumpers or unitarians, muslims or even deists. They are all wrong, and they all believe in things unsupported by evidence or completely debunked lies. I only care about what is true, and I don't have any reservations about telling people what they believe isn't true, esp. when they bring it out to the open and implicitly invite the discussion…

As someone who was raised in an intellectual atheist family, spent my younger years believing as such and has since converted to Christianity, I find the tone of this kind of "Anyone who believes in anything is stupid.....but I'm all inclusive and caring" rhetoric to be a contradiction in terms. I have personally only experienced it from people who have been wounded by Christians in some way. I think that sucks and I am sorry that there are so many people wounded by Christianity. Yet, that doesn't make Christianity untrue, it just means some of its adherents are jerks (like any other belief system).

As Mahatma Ghandi said; "I like your Christ but I do not like your Christians, your Christians are so unlike Christ". Look at the person and work of Jesus if you want to know about Christianity, not us broken individuals who attempt to follow him.

On another note, the argument that you know the method therefore the agency doesn't exist has always seemed illogical to me. I know how Toyota puts its cars together, that doesn't mean that Toyota doesn't exist.

We have different beliefs and I'm not here to argue, just presenting a different point of view. You have the right to say what you say and believe what you believe, I will even defends those rights for you. I just hope that you will be willing to do the same for me.

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Where the homesexual agenda in Disney movies? I'd prefer specific examples rather than just handwavey nonsense.

Frozen. Had a Swedish guy (shop owner) living with another guy and they both had a bunch of kids. Described the other guy and kids as his "family." See point #5 in this article's list: http://mic.com/articles/79455/7-moments-that-made-frozen-the...

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Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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I wish we lived in a society where people weren't pressured into "publically acknowledge" their sexual orientation just because it's different than the norm. You don't see heterosexual CEOs publically acknowledging they are banging their wife, why should it be different for other sexual orientations? Just let everyone be.

It's important for mere visibility and representation of MOGAI people in general. Everyone is generally assumed to be heterosexual by default, so people who are het don't need to make public announcements about it.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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There seems to have been a cultural shift in the United States as of lately. Just a few years back most companies was afraid of "choosing" side, and kept things pretty neutral. But look at recent Disney movies and Coca-Cola commercials. They all give the impression that from a marketing perspective it's better to take a stand.

Where the homesexual agenda in Disney movies? I'd prefer specific examples rather than just handwavey nonsense.

Yeah, what's the deal with your use of the loaded dog whistle term "agenda"? Listen to Fox News much?

And with your presumption that the answer you're likely to get on HN might be "handwavey nonsense"?

Or are you implying that Fantasia's Sorcerer and Micky Mouse are gay just because they wave their hands around to conjure up colorful butterflies, broomsticks, comets, waves and storm clouds?

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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I guess Tim Cook and Brendan Eich don't see eye to eye on some issues.

Being opposed to gay marriage does not imply being against homosexuals. But they presumably don't see eye to eye on the subject of gay marriage.

> Being opposed to gay marriage does not imply being against homosexuals.

How is that even possible? How is enforcing legal restrictions against a minority class of people not inherently discriminatory?

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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I wonder how carefully crafted this line was: ... I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. It seems a particularly odd thing to slip in, on so many levels.

Er, why? Because it conflicts with other people's opinions of what God values? Hate to say this, but religious people say things of the general form "I consider X among the greatest gifts God has given me" (or something with similar meaning) where X conflicts with the view of God's priorities held by some other religious people all the time.
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