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Post by dragonwriter »

praptak wrote: post #96

I found this one very striking: "Still, there are laws on the books in a majority of states that allow employers to fire people based solely on their sexual orientation." Could anyone provide details? I wonder whether it is an explicit "Being gay is grounds for firing" or rather just plain lack of protection from firing for being gay?

In most states, employment law is structured such that the absence of explicit protection means that it is a valid grounds for firing. The laws on the books that create this structure, combined with the absence of an explicit protection for sexual orientation, constitute laws on the books that allow employers to fire people based solely on their sexual orientation.

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Post by danielweber »

aragot wrote: post #191
emodendroket wrote: post #180

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If your job was to blather on air day after day for however many hours you'd probably say a couple dumb things too. Everyone has "known" Tim Cook was gay forever so it's not a hard mistake to make.

How did everyone know? Or even, guess? I assume there are a few factors which generally correlate with being gay, such as never being seen dating a girl or trying to stick with gay fashions?

I knew because NPR told me. I knew he was gay before I knew it was supposed to be a secret, so if I were on that panel I would have said pretty much the same thing.

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Post by lukeqsee »

What struck me about this piece is how effectively and with such clarity it was crafted: I could hear Tim saying every single one of these words in my head. To make the written word as convincing and powerful as the well-crafted spoken word is truly genius.

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Post by natch »

oracuk wrote: post #137
aikah wrote: post #83

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hmm ,i guess he is talking about Alan Turing who was literaly sentenced to a horrible treatment for being gay. That's one of the greatest shame of UK,it symbolizes bigotery in its purest form.

It was one of our (many) great failings and as a nation we have accepted that: Prime Ministers Apology: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/11/pm-apology-to-a... Royal Pardon: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/10536246/Al...

Is it possible to knight someone posthumously? Has this happened?

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Post by venomsnake »

melling wrote: post #148
venomsnake wrote: post #113

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According to recent comments from the Pope - he is something of a authority in the religious world I have heard, seems that God has no deep hatred for gays, was involved in the Big Bang and watched observantly life evolved. You don't really need a superficial reason to hate other humans, if your heart so desire.

How did he come to that conclusion? What changed? The story for over 2000 years was quite different in most religious organizations. If they had come to that conclusion any number of years ago, people might not have felt the need to hide it. Furthermore, people like Alan Turing might have had a much better life.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/29/pope-francis-on-gay...

Dunno. Probably knows that the church is sliding into irrelevance if it stick to its old ways.

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Post by [deleted] »

melling wrote: post #148
venomsnake wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to recent comments from the Pope - he is something of a authority in the religious world I have heard, seems that God has no deep hatred for gays, was involved in the Big Bang and watched observantly life evolved. You don't really need a superficial reason to hate other humans, if your heart so desire.

How did he come to that conclusion? What changed? The story for over 2000 years was quite different in most religious organizations. If they had come to that conclusion any number of years ago, people might not have felt the need to hide it. Furthermore, people like Alan Turing might have had a much better life.

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Post by mattzito »

lmedinas wrote: post #188
general_failure wrote: post #171

While this is already known, this does show us the world is not black and white. Tricky the whole thing. Mozilla as a company fights for privacy and creates a lot of free software for the general good. But people couldn't stand it's CEO being anti-gay. Now we have the most dangerous (imo) company of all time whose CEO is gay. Ah, good times.

Actually the problem is even worse because Brendan never expressed that he is anti-gay, he just sent a donation to activists "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." [1] And to me this does not represent that he is anti-gay. 1- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich

That seems like a difference without a distinction - if he believes that only marriage between a man and a woman should be valid or recognized in California, then by extension he believes that a marriage between two men, or two women, should not be valid in california.

Which is advocating for not providing that right to same-sex indviduals. Which is anti-gay.

If the ballot measure said, "Only votes cast by a white person are valid or recognized in California", and someone donated money to support that measure - it would be reasonable to expect that they don't believe that non-white individuals should have the right to vote.

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Post by super_mario »

jeremysmyth wrote: post #192
super_mario wrote: post #182

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You know when in the worlds only constitutional secular democracy it becomes impossible to actually be secular and be elected, when school boards constantly try to teach stultifying pseudoscience to our children, when demand for equal time for creationism and evolution or outright refusal to teach evolution in biology classes becomes the norm, when even coming out as gay or atheist in large parts of the country can g…

the worlds only constitutional secular democracy whut? There are several, and most don't have the problem you're talking about. Which one are you talking about?

Yes there are a few secular states, but less of those that have complete separation of church and state guaranteed by the constitution. USA is the oldest and most well known one.

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Post by dragonwriter »

super_mario wrote: post #56
konradb wrote: post #48

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At the risk of going down an off-topic rabbit hole... There really is only irony if this god actually hates gays (I'm assuming we're talking about your usual run of the mill Abrahamic deity). It may well be that Tim's theology is a bit more sophisticated.

Sure, isn't that what every believer does, picks out the parts they like and ignore the ones they don't, showing once more they are their own moral guide and they know better than their god what is good and what is not. I wouldn't go as far as call it sophisticated. Sophisticated would be seeing the bronze age ramblings for bullshit that it is and devoting your life to learning what we actually do know of the univers…

> Sure, isn't that what every believer does, picks out the parts they like and ignore the ones they don't, showing once more they are their own moral guide and they know better than their god what is good and what is not.

That doesn't show that. Picking out the parts of what other people say about God that resonate with them and ignoring the parts that do not isn't saying that they know more than God about what is good, but that they trust themselves more than other people about what is good -- and about what God is trying to say.

And very many religious groups stress the importance of personal conscience (though those with strong authority structures often also declare that any person who is really listening to their conscience will come to the same conclusions as the authority does.)

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Post by danielweber »

nailer wrote: post #109
downandout wrote: post #67

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>There are undoubtedly many people who will no longer purchase Apple products because of this I disagree. First, I think it was widely assumed that he was gay, and if it wasn't, he was accidentally outed during a live TV broadcast a few months ago by a CNBC reporter [1]. Second, the people that think this way probably already avoid Apple products, as both Tim Cook and Apple have been vocal on gay rights for quite som…

Wow. That doesn't sound like an accident - you don't say someone "is fairly open about being gay" unless you're damn sure they are. What an unpleasant person.

Maybe he listened to NPR two weeks earlier and heard Melissa Block say on the air that Tim Cook was openly gay.

http://www.npr.org/2014/06/13/321778926/letters-the-world-cu...

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