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>I’m proud to be gay, and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. Americans are so weird.

What does that have to do with being American? Do you realize the majority of the world's population believes in $deity?

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There seems to have been a cultural shift in the United States as of lately. Just a few years back most companies was afraid of "choosing" side, and kept things pretty neutral. But look at recent Disney movies and Coca-Cola commercials. They all give the impression that from a marketing perspective it's better to take a stand.

Where the homesexual agenda in Disney movies? I'd prefer specific examples rather than just handwavey nonsense.

IMO it's going a bit far with the interpretation, but Elsa in the movie Frozen has been fairly widely speculated as being an allegory on coming out.

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Props for speaking up like this. My sister is gay and I know what she's been going through. I still hold out hope that mankind will see the day where things like that won't matter any more.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to have been a cultural shift in the United States as of lately. Just a few years back most companies was afraid of "choosing" side, and kept things pretty neutral. But look at recent Disney movies and Coca-Cola commercials. They all give the impression that from a marketing perspective it's better to take a stand.

Where the homesexual agenda in Disney movies? I'd prefer specific examples rather than just handwavey nonsense.

The last two Disney movies I watched (Frozen and Maleficent) both were resolved not by romantic love of a man and woman, but with the the love between two women. I am NOT saying Ana and Elsa were lesbians, but that Disney seems to be moving away from the prince/princess formula - that the ultimate feat of existence is getting married to someone of the opposite gender. If this is a "homosexual agenda" or not, I say good riddance. That crap is life poison to impressionable young girls.

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I wonder how carefully crafted this line was: ... I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. It seems a particularly odd thing to slip in, on so many levels.

That jarred me too. I recently spoke to some gay religious people and it struck me as very odd. I'm biased, of course. I tend to think religion gets far more forgiveness than it deserves in a huge number of contexts. It was interesting though, in a bunch of ways. When I hear a statement like this it makes me think of Africans converting to Mormonism or Jews joining European far right movements. I realize that there a…

I recently read an article in English talking about homophobia being widespread in Russia "despite the Russians having lived through the progressive social experiment of communism".

Calling it a "progressive social experiment" gives it far more forgiveness than it deserves in my opinion...

From which I conclude that it's easy to forgive when we basically like the idea/movement/etc., and easy to see undeserved forgiveness when we basically dislike it.

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I wish we lived in a society where people weren't pressured into "publically acknowledge" their sexual orientation just because it's different than the norm. You don't see heterosexual CEOs publically acknowledging they are banging their wife, why should it be different for other sexual orientations? Just let everyone be.

> banging their wife

...or husbands, but that's the least of your problems.

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Konrad Zuse was not gay.

hmm ,i guess he is talking about Alan Turing who was literaly sentenced to a horrible treatment for being gay. That's one of the greatest shame of UK,it symbolizes bigotery in its purest form.

It was one of our (many) great failings and as a nation we have accepted that:

Prime Ministers Apology: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/11/pm-apology-to-a...

Royal Pardon: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/10536246/Al...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to have been a cultural shift in the United States as of lately. Just a few years back most companies was afraid of "choosing" side, and kept things pretty neutral. But look at recent Disney movies and Coca-Cola commercials. They all give the impression that from a marketing perspective it's better to take a stand.

Where the homesexual agenda in Disney movies? I'd prefer specific examples rather than just handwavey nonsense.

> homesexual agenda

Agenda? People only use that term when they're trying to imply something is somehow pushing homosexuality on the weak minded.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to have been a cultural shift in the United States as of lately. Just a few years back most companies was afraid of "choosing" side, and kept things pretty neutral. But look at recent Disney movies and Coca-Cola commercials. They all give the impression that from a marketing perspective it's better to take a stand.

Where the homesexual agenda in Disney movies? I'd prefer specific examples rather than just handwavey nonsense.

Frozen.

Had a Swedish guy (shop owner) living with another guy and they both had a bunch of kids. Described the other guy and kids as his "family."

See point #5 in this article's list: http://mic.com/articles/79455/7-moments-that-made-frozen-the...

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