I wonder how carefully crafted this line was: ... I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. It seems a particularly odd thing to slip in, on so many levels.
Tim Cook is a Christian. This is a message to the Church.
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they won't buy Apple products because the CEO is gay, they probably shouldn't buy any computers at all, seeing as the entire field is built on the work of a gay man.
To be honest, I for one know very little about the important persons in , gay or not. We might all know about the terrible fate of Alan Turing, but I don't expect non-cs people to know. (Thanks to gpvos for the correction of faith->fate. )
*fate (at least I hope you mean that)
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#123I wonder how carefully crafted this line was: ... I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. It seems a particularly odd thing to slip in, on so many levels.
Indeed, the mark of a well thought out and carefully crafted message that's not just personal, but also about necessary PR. If that's what it takes to get people on-board this generation, I don't mind. But I hope lines like that can be omitted one day. Doesn't it just look incredibly silly?
>Indeed, the mark of a well thought out and carefully crafted message that's not just personal, but also about necessary PR.
If that's what it takes to get people on-board this generation, I don't mind. But I hope lines like that can be omitted one day. Doesn't it just look incredibly silly?
Maybe he didn't want to omit it. Maybe it's not PR, but instead his actual feelings. Maybe he is religious. So, it's all cool and all that he's gay (which it is), but he mentions God and now you're all "Why can't he just keep that to himself?"
That seems a little hypocritical to me.
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#124Being in such a progressive community (i.e. young nerdy people), it's easy to forget that this is an enormous deal for some people. A friend of mine recently came out as transgender and the general response was "oh, cool, good for you". It's hard to fathom what it's like for people who aren't in such a supportive environment. There are undoubtedly many people who will no longer purchase Apple products because of this…
>There are undoubtedly many people who will no longer purchase Apple products because of this I disagree. First, I think it was widely assumed that he was gay, and if it wasn't, he was accidentally outed during a live TV broadcast a few months ago by a CNBC reporter [1]. Second, the people that think this way probably already avoid Apple products, as both Tim Cook and Apple have been vocal on gay rights for quite som…
It is interesting to read this. Not that I have any evidence, but I was under the impression that Apple was already more attractive to the gay community than the other companies...I would not be surprise if this will increase this section of their target market.
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#125I wonder how carefully crafted this line was: ... I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. It seems a particularly odd thing to slip in, on so many levels.
Tim Cook is a Christian. This is a message to the Church.
And is Southern as well - From Alabama. Big church influence down there.
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#126I wonder how carefully crafted this line was: ... I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. It seems a particularly odd thing to slip in, on so many levels.
To me it came across as purely figurative. IMHO the usual phrases like "thank God it's not raining" are pretty much detached from the religious context. Is it different in US?
"Thank God it's not raining" is completely different from saying "... the greatest gifts God has given me."
The first is just a frivolous small talk type comment. Non-religious people would say this. It's part of the common US vocabulary. The second is much more serious, and the speaker is actually thanking God for how he is. A non-religious person would never say it.
Religious people do this type of thing all the time in the US. Just look at 1 example- sports. The amount of American pro-athletes who are religious is astounding. Many athletes will seriously thank God after doing something well in a sporting event.
I'm very very anti-theist and I still have a lot of Christians on my Facebook, and some of them are constantly thanking God or praising Jesus for some good thing that happened in their life.
The amount of cars that have religious stickers on them is incredible. Crosses, the Jesus fish, some Biblical reference, a Christian brand, etc- you see them constantly. Maybe it's not like that in the Bay Area, but that is an exception. I live in Germany now and I've counted a total of TWO cars in 2 years that had any kind of Religious sticker.
So, yeah, Christianity is everywhere in the US. I pray for the day that this is not true.
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#127Is it OK to be proud to be a gay man? Is it OK to be proud to be a gay white man? If you answer one question with yes and one with no, there might be a problem.
(Assuming you're talking about in the Western world) Do you not see a difference between being gay and being white? Really? Is it not obvious that one group has been historically repressed, attacked, discriminated against, etc. by its 'counter group', whilst the other has been the oppressor? These are about the most simplistic facts in social history, so I find it very difficult to believe you unaware of them; it see…
I actually think he makes a reasonable point, if you read his last sentence carefully.
Realistically, it doesn't make much sense to be "proud" of being gay, just like it doesn't make sense to be "proud" of being white.
It makes sense to be proud for staying strong in the face of discrimination and hate speech, but being gay itself is not worthy of any pride.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is not the bible god wrote. That is a book written by people. And written far later than the year 0.
Of course not. I'm an atheist, anti-theist in fact, and I know perfectly well the history of the bible how it was written, and that it is not the word of imaginary god etc. I am just saying what the religious people say it is. And this is the irony.
I'm sorry to tell you this, but your ignorance of religion and monotheism is astounding. Reading your comments it is very apparent that you take any mention of a belief in God to mean a follower of the American branch of reformist protestant Christianity with biblical literalism.
That is a very broad brush, as the fundamentalists literalists are a tiny part of Christianity and of broader monotheism. They make up about a quarter of American Christians, which is a much higher proportion than any other country in the world.
A lot of people associate that branch of Christianity with all monotheism simply because they tend to be noisy and dominate political issues. You'll rarely find that view outside of the USA, and of the overall global monotheist population the literalists are a tiny percentage.
The biggest critics of the literalists and their views are in fact other Christians. Even the Catholic church, which itself is a conservative branch of Christianity - accepts evolution, the age of the universe and other dominant issues associated with fundamentalist Christians in the USA such as the rights of homosexuals.
To associate all Christians or monotheists as meaning fundamentalist is no different to the bigots and wackos who believe that all Muslims are Salafist jihadi. Tim mentioned nothing more than a belief in God, it is a huge and unsubstantiated leap to conclude from his single word that he is a fundamentalist literalist.
There would be a lot more tolerance in this world if people who hated at least understood what it was they were hating. I see your views as being as ignorant and fundamentalist as the very views you disagree with.
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#129>I’m proud to be gay, and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. Americans are so weird.
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#130Being in such a progressive community (i.e. young nerdy people), it's easy to forget that this is an enormous deal for some people. A friend of mine recently came out as transgender and the general response was "oh, cool, good for you". It's hard to fathom what it's like for people who aren't in such a supportive environment. There are undoubtedly many people who will no longer purchase Apple products because of this…
>There are undoubtedly many people who will no longer purchase Apple products because of this I disagree. First, I think it was widely assumed that he was gay, and if it wasn't, he was accidentally outed during a live TV broadcast a few months ago by a CNBC reporter [1]. Second, the people that think this way probably already avoid Apple products, as both Tim Cook and Apple have been vocal on gay rights for quite som…
> I think it was widely assumed that he was gay
By who, Apple fanboys? Your average person probably doesn't even know who is Apple's current CEO let alone that he's gay.