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Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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I'd like a world where announcements like this are considered utterly mundane.

We'll first have to pass from the stage were announcement like this are not that courageous (sure might annoy some BS far right minority who nobody cares about), and are actually the in vogue thing to say for kudos and hi-fives.

Which I think is were we are now.

The people who really had the guts, "came out" when it really mattered and made a difference, back in the seventies and eighties.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Konrad Zuse was not gay.

I think he is talking about Alan Turing.

On one hand, we have a man who worked with the Nazis, and on the other, we have a man persecuted and chemically castrated by the British government for his sexual orientation, who many believe committed suicide as a result.

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#93

Strangely enough I'd see pictures of him at some gay pride thing and it never even occurred to me he might be gay. I think, more accurately, it didn't trigger anything in my brain that thought it mattered either way. Obviously this is the way it should be! It seems like Tim Cook isn't under any pressure to publicly announce this, so it seems he's doing it as a way of leveraging his position to help others who are exp…

Felix Salmon outed it on the very day of Tim Cook's appointment as the CEO. I'm surprised that a story that was on Techmeme at that time, did not get broader attention, until now. http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/25/dont-ignore...

It got a reasonable amount of attention, but I think a lot of journalists (correctly, IMO) felt that speculating on someone's sexuality where they hadn't talked about it publicly was a bit inappropriate.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Konrad Zuse was not gay.

hmm ,i guess he is talking about Alan Turing who was literaly sentenced to a horrible treatment for being gay. That's one of the greatest shame of UK,it symbolizes bigotery in its purest form.

Compared to which country that has never persecuted anyone for being gay?

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I wish we lived in a society where people weren't pressured into "publically acknowledge" their sexual orientation just because it's different than the norm. You don't see heterosexual CEOs publically acknowledging they are banging their wife, why should it be different for other sexual orientations? Just let everyone be.

We're in a transition period, and rapidly heading towards your ideal. We're getting there, and this is a necessary step. Be happy it's happening :)

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#96
I found this one very striking: "Still, there are laws on the books in a majority of states that allow employers to fire people based solely on their sexual orientation."

Could anyone provide details? I wonder whether it is an explicit "Being gay is grounds for firing" or rather just plain lack of protection from firing for being gay?

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I wonder how carefully crafted this line was: ... I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. It seems a particularly odd thing to slip in, on so many levels.

An odd thing to slip in? He is, as far as I've gathered, a deeply religious gay man. If his point is to imply those things are not at odds, then I don't think this sentence's inclusion is odd at all.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

#98
That's weird ... I though he had come out. I remember reading in Nytimes and Reuters why it was a big deal that Apple will have openly gay CEO a couple of years ago.

Anyway good for him.

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I wonder how carefully crafted this line was: ... I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. It seems a particularly odd thing to slip in, on so many levels.

He's a religious man. It wasn't "slipped in". Read the following sentences. Brilliant.

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#100

So Tim just came out an idiot. He thanks god for making him gay, the same god who hates gays decided in his infinite wisdom to make him an object he hates. If he does not see the irony in that statement, then I have to wonder about the intelligence of the person.

> the same god who hates gays

Well, that would be a matter of opinion; Reform Judaism doesn't think so, for instance, and nor do a lot of liberal Protestant Christian churches, particularly in Europe. Even the Catholic Church is backing away from the idea now.

(Of course, it could also just be a turn of phrase; plenty of people use phrases like "thank God" without literally believing in one...)

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