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She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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It's not like those giving the black budgets don't know what they get in return.

It might be like that. First, anyone approving a budget knows what they're told, but probably has the capacity for very little first-hand verification. Second, not all budgets are "given" - we've previously seen the CIA raise money independently to fund illegal operations.

Let's put it this way: the president, and the congress could squash that in a second if there was a will.

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I'm not expecting them to stop, I'm saying they can't simply be absolved of responsibility if you're going to blame the law as well.

I think you're making a category error. What exactly are you saying the users are responsible for in the behavior of the cartels?

The blame was in a conditional statement: if you blame the law forbidding drugs, why not the people actually funding the cartels? They may not intend for such to happen, but neither could it happen without them.

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There is no such thing as a 2nd world country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World

I should have specified, "Second World" has nothing to do with economic power and Mexico is definitely not a "Second World" country.

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The movement to legalize drugs works to eradicate making this type of organized violence so profitable.

Sadly, they will switch to alternate means of sustenance. Many criminals already have E.G. Money laundering, kidnapping, murder for hire etc... The time to legalize was before it was possible for drug producers to purchase an entire country and impose tyranny upon its citizens. Those already in control will now do anything possible to maintain their profit streams.

Likely, but that doesn't mean it's not a step in the right direction. If those "alternate means of sustenance" were lower risk or more profitable, they would be doing it now. Cutting off access to this profit stream will at least slow the rate at which they accumulate power. That doesn't make anything easy, but it stops making it more difficult.

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It might be like that. First, anyone approving a budget knows what they're told, but probably has the capacity for very little first-hand verification. Second, not all budgets are "given" - we've previously seen the CIA raise money independently to fund illegal operations.

Let's put it this way: the president, and the congress could squash that in a second if there was a will.

Plausibly. I'm not sure how we'd tell. And there being "a will" may be dependent on an understanding of what's going on whose absence could - in principle - persist indefinitely.

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The US should not play world police. The US properly has jurisdiction in Mexico only when necessary to protect Americans, and we seem to not have crossed that threshhold.

> The US properly has jurisdiction in Mexico only when necessary to protect Americans Wait, what? Does Mexico have jurisdiction in the US when necessary to protect Mexicans?

Yes.

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All the more reason to encourage domestic production of drugs in regulated (ie, legal and not cartel-run) markets. Blaming the customers is ineffective, because there's no way to end the demand for drugs entirely - we have decades of prohibitions that prove that[0]. Whether or not you or I would like them to boycott these products on principle en masse is a moot point, because it's just not feasible. [0] If we can't…

We probably aren't going to legalize cocaine or meth any time soon.

That's what people said about cannabis not even 5 years ago.

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We probably aren't going to legalize cocaine or meth any time soon.

I agree. Not sure what type of event it would take to finally push people over the edge to favor an end to drug prohibition but I imagine it is so drastic that the vested interests in the cartels wouldn't be stupid enough to do it.

Just a younger electorate. Probably next decade.
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