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She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by deciplex »

paulhauggis wrote: post #94
drawkbox wrote: post #72

We've created a monster with the War on Drugs. It will only get worse unless we reverse course. Unless we do, the violence/terrorism on the border could increase dramatically. We have a historical model in alcohol prohibition and know what it does and what happens after. We blame Mexico, Central and South America for much of this but policies and our actions there are creating these black markets where only criminals…

Well, drug consumers can stop purchasing drugs that you know that involve the cartels. But most people that talk about the "War on Drugs" would rather blame the US drug policies instead, rather than the own up to the fact that they are contributing to the problem. I would also like to point out that legalizing drugs would not solve the problem. The problem is corruption, not the drugs themselves. Look at Miami in the…

> If drugs are legalized tomorrow, what do you think would happen? If I were the cartels, I would continue selling my product, this time legal (similar to how companies are outsourcing to China..drug companies will outsource to Mexico). My power would continue or increase, because I could just buy off any cop and/or government official and the violence would continue (ruling by fear).

So, why don't farmers do this? That's pretty much all most drug production is. Perhaps, that a bale of hay isn't worth millions of dollars, has something to do with it?

The comparison to alcohol prohibition is spot-on. You are correct that legalizing drugs would not solve the problem overnight. But again, look to alcohol prohibition as an example: ending prohibition did not destroy the American Cosa Nostra, but it did deprive it of a primary source of funding which, along with some new laws and law enforcement techniques, and time (measured in decades), enabled law enforcement agencies to reduce those organizations to a shadow of their former selves.

So it will go with the Cartels. Yes it will still take time, but you have to start somewhere.

> I'm not against the legalization of drugs, I'm against the dishonesty.

Frankly, the ends justify the means. 20 years ago people would still get hysterical about something as benign as marijuana. If the only way to correct that in the face of a federal government that does (or did, at least, at the time) spend heaps of money reinforcing it, is to introduce 'medical marijuana' at the state level, as a trojan horse, in the hopes of getting people to recognize that, no, in fact, weed will not turn you into a devil and force you to go out and rape women or whatever the fuck else, then I say do it.

I'll point out that marijuana legalization is itself such a trojan horse as well. Just as twenty years ago the mere legalization of marijuana nationally seemed hopeless, right now the full legalization of all psychoactives seems a bit far-fetched. Yet, observing the effects of marijuana legalization (i.e. basically nothing at all happens) will help drive home the lesson that drugs are generally about as big a deal as you want them to be, and not one bit more.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by rurounijones »

handle_bars wrote: post #79
chuckcode wrote: post #21

When can we stop the madness and regulate drugs rather than criminalizing them? Didn't we learn anything from prohibition?? In a time when so many people are aware of the limitations of government why do so many people think that we're going to resolve the drug problems with more government in the form courts and prisons. We're just creating a market opportunity for the cartels by inflating prices and turning their c…

Are you suggesting that we legalise everything that is currently illegal, so that we would have no need to prohibit anything and turn nobody into criminals? We could very well apply this logic to say, murder. Why not let us legalise murder, set up appropriate channels for people to hire hitmen to kill each other, so that the underground killers would not have any more customers and then they will gradually die out?

Person A takes drugs, person A is affected.

Person A kills Person B, person B is affected.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by vacri »

girvo wrote: post #32
monochr wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it literally would have since they found out who she was by looking through her phone after kidnapping her for an unrelated death of a cartel member. Try and read the article before you comment.

Read the article yourself, that is quite possibly disinformation. The situation over there is very complex, and nothing is pure truth. Unless she practiced OPSEC above and beyond what most untrained people are capable of, it was always a high risk that it'd end this way. I've got nothing but respect for her. Her execution and the violence and organised crime is abhorrent. I wish there was something I could do.

Unless she practiced OPSEC above and beyond what most untrained people are capable of

Even security researchers don't practice it to that level. I went to a security conference last year, and one of the speakers was talking about his wifi sniffing box. Time came to demo how it worked... and it turns out that the wifi for the venue had crashed, and the security delegates in the main conference room behind him all attached to his box for net access - he was able to demo skimming hundreds of accounts, apparently. There was another speaker who mentioned that the security industry throws up so many 'best practice' recommendations that even security specialists can't cover them all.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by xerophyte12932 »

theobon wrote: post #25

Why are the majority of the comments here blaming the victim? This is the death if a person who tried to stand against an overwhelming force. To try and stand against the cartels where the police didn't dare and instead of honouring her work or get death you mock her for not using tor. If you seriously think that lack of cybersecurity is the problem then at least use this to highlight the lack of good easy to use sec…

>you mock her for not using tor.

Ok that doesn't make sense to me. Her murderers weren't Cyber-security experts who tracked her down. They were a group of thugs who kidnapped her, along with other medical personnel. Only after they had her in their clutches did they realize who they had. She was probably going to die anyway, this way the cartel knew who they were killing.

So using tor or whatever would only have the minimal effect on her situation

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by fleitz »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #107
paulhauggis wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, drug consumers can stop purchasing drugs that you know that involve the cartels. But most people that talk about the "War on Drugs" would rather blame the US drug policies instead, rather than the own up to the fact that they are contributing to the problem. I would also like to point out that legalizing drugs would not solve the problem. The problem is corruption, not the drugs themselves. Look at Miami in the…

> Fix the corruption..and you fix the cartel issue. You have the cause and effect inverted. Everyone has a price. The reason there is so much corruption in Mexico is that we've made corruption so profitable. > If I were the cartels, I would continue selling my product, this time legal (similar to how companies are outsourcing to China..drug companies will outsource to Mexico). My power would continue or increase, bec…

So we're shutting down Starbucks, Coca-Cola, Altria, and Anheuser Busch?

It seems as a society we have other thoughts on what the sensible thing to do with drugs is, namely, let users of it use it as long as they don't harm others.

Using drugs and being high in public is as common as coffee on the morning commute, to paraphrase Coca-Cola, getting high in public is the real thing.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by shkkmo »

paulhauggis wrote: post #94
drawkbox wrote: post #72

We've created a monster with the War on Drugs. It will only get worse unless we reverse course. Unless we do, the violence/terrorism on the border could increase dramatically. We have a historical model in alcohol prohibition and know what it does and what happens after. We blame Mexico, Central and South America for much of this but policies and our actions there are creating these black markets where only criminals…

Well, drug consumers can stop purchasing drugs that you know that involve the cartels. But most people that talk about the "War on Drugs" would rather blame the US drug policies instead, rather than the own up to the fact that they are contributing to the problem. I would also like to point out that legalizing drugs would not solve the problem. The problem is corruption, not the drugs themselves. Look at Miami in the…

> I would also like to point out that legalizing drugs would not solve the problem. The problem is corruption, not the drugs themselves. Look at Miami in the 1970s. It was a war zone, just like Mexico is today. The reason is because you could buy off any cop or government official in the city (check out the documentary "Cocaine Cowboys" for some real news footage from the time).

Really? Your evidence is a movie described as: "The film explores the rise of cocaine and resulting crime epidemic that swept the American city of Miami, Florida,"

The incentive for corruption is greatly increased by the power held by, and amount of money available to criminal organizations.

> If I were the cartels, I would continue selling my product, this time legal (similar to how companies are outsourcing to China..drug companies will outsource to Mexico).

> MJ will not ever be legal in the sense that you can just grow it and sell it out of your house with no government intervention.

So... your claim is that the US government will prevent locals from growing marijuana but will be just fine with the drug companies outsourcing production to criminal cartels with no regulatory oversight? At least try to be consistent in your argument.

> I'm not against the legalization of drugs, I'm against the dishonesty. Supporters were dishonest about "medical marijuana"..which is quite honestly, a joke. There are 10 doctors in my area that will give you a prescription for MJ for pretty much anything..it will just cost you $70. The majority of people that I know that have their prescriptions just want to smoke weed.

The abuse of medical marijuana prescriptions does not make use the use of medical marijuana prescriptions a joke. Similarly, the extremely high rates of of abuse of other types of prescribed medications does not make them a joke.

About dishonesty, please indicate the claims that you believe were dishonestly made by supporters of medical marijuana? Please contrast those with the honesty of claims made by the FDA that drugs such as marijuana or MDMA have "No accepted medical use"

Please stop blaming the mexican government for failing to control the cartels that the US has been funding through several decades of failed drug policy.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by mjfl »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #95
judk wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And much of the blame lies with you and I for not shouldering some of the risk and uniting with her to be a stronger large force against the murderers.

> And much of the blame lies with you and I for not shouldering some of the risk and uniting with her to be a stronger large force against the murderers. Someone who can prevent their own misfortune by taking known steps yet doesn't take them is exhibiting behavior deserving of criticism. Finding someone else to blame doesn't change that, so what point are you trying to make by finding even more people to blame?

>Someone who can prevent their own misfortune by taking known steps yet doesn't take them is exhibiting behavior deserving of criticism.

It is infuriating to me that you would suggest that it is this woman's fault for being murdered. So she's supposed to have a working knowledge of crypto despite being a working woman (in a non-computer related field) in a 2nd world country OR just shut up about rampant murder and kidnapping in her country?

I have no idea what to say to you, or how to express my horror that mind-blind opinions like these are stated on the regular on this news site.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by eksith »

dannypgh wrote: post #45
socceroos wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel so sorry for this woman! I'm quite unfamiliar with the specifics of the whole Mexican cartel situation, but has there been any international aid or effort to help eradicate this?

The movement to legalize drugs works to eradicate making this type of organized violence so profitable.

Sadly, they will switch to alternate means of sustenance. Many criminals already have E.G. Money laundering, kidnapping, murder for hire etc...

The time to legalize was before it was possible for drug producers to purchase an entire country and impose tyranny upon its citizens. Those already in control will now do anything possible to maintain their profit streams.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by tn13 »

The blame rests on her. She was rich, able to afford college education and unnecessarily painting the poor equal-opportunity lacking folks on street as thieves.

Instead of tweeting against the cartels she should have tried to build a bridge to their hearts, reach to the root cause of crime and should acted like a responsible citizen. She instead chose adventurism.

US is doing a great service to these people by continuing to have a drug-prohibition and letting their uneducated/unskilled labor get safe citizenship and welfare money at the expense of American taxpayers. She should have learned something from USA.

^^#sarcasm

I hope that she is safe.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by vacri »

handle_bars wrote: post #75
ripb wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And what about all the customers of this cartel who give them the money to pay people enough to do things like this? Drugs are a fact of life, they've been used since the dawn of man and will be used likely until the end of man. They're not going away. It's abhorrent that in order to access drugs, you've to essentially send money down the chain to people carrying out such acts...but people are going to do drugs, and…

> Drugs are a fact of life, they've been used since the dawn of man and will be used likely until the end of man. They're not going away. Did you decide on the truth of all of these assumptions by yourself?

People have been taking intoxicants for longer than they have been writing. Cunieform is about 6000 years old, and beer is at least 9000 years old. Intoxicants are so woven through most of the societies that have dotted human history that it's hard to believe your question is serious.
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