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She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by wyager »

mjfl wrote: post #117
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #95

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> And much of the blame lies with you and I for not shouldering some of the risk and uniting with her to be a stronger large force against the murderers. Someone who can prevent their own misfortune by taking known steps yet doesn't take them is exhibiting behavior deserving of criticism. Finding someone else to blame doesn't change that, so what point are you trying to make by finding even more people to blame?

>Someone who can prevent their own misfortune by taking known steps yet doesn't take them is exhibiting behavior deserving of criticism. It is infuriating to me that you would suggest that it is this woman's fault for being murdered. So she's supposed to have a working knowledge of crypto despite being a working woman (in a non-computer related field) in a 2nd world country OR just shut up about rampant murder and ki…

>It is infuriating to me that you would suggest that it is this woman's fault for being murdered.

You are putting words in his mouth. He simply said that there are things she could have feasibly done differently that would have prevented her death. He is not saying it's "her fault".

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Post by Natsu »

ripb wrote: post #88
handle_bars wrote: post #75

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> Drugs are a fact of life, they've been used since the dawn of man and will be used likely until the end of man. They're not going away. Did you decide on the truth of all of these assumptions by yourself?

I'm on my mobile so can't do much linking, but there is evidence of narcotics use dating back throughout recorded history. Drugs are extremely popular today. Using the two above, I made the assumption that people will be using narcotics so long as our species continues, unless their effects can be explicitly replicated and induced by technology at some stage in the future, although I wouldn't necessarily say that suc…

Unless, perhaps, we can find a cure for addiction itself.

I mean, diseases have been going on for all of human history, but we've wiped out a few different kinds.

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Post by phazmatis »

mjfl wrote: post #117
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And much of the blame lies with you and I for not shouldering some of the risk and uniting with her to be a stronger large force against the murderers. Someone who can prevent their own misfortune by taking known steps yet doesn't take them is exhibiting behavior deserving of criticism. Finding someone else to blame doesn't change that, so what point are you trying to make by finding even more people to blame?

>Someone who can prevent their own misfortune by taking known steps yet doesn't take them is exhibiting behavior deserving of criticism. It is infuriating to me that you would suggest that it is this woman's fault for being murdered. So she's supposed to have a working knowledge of crypto despite being a working woman (in a non-computer related field) in a 2nd world country OR just shut up about rampant murder and ki…

I'm glad the tone police are here to make irrelevant arguments about valid points.

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Post by [deleted] »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #136
xerophyte12932 wrote: post #121

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> Tax evasion is a felony. The cost of continually having your employees arrested and assets seized can easily exceed the cost of just paying the taxes (which is kind of the idea). You do realize that the Drug Cartels are committing crimes far far worse than tax evasion, right? And there have been no repercussions for them. By suddenly charging them with tax evasion, do you think they'll be stopped?

> You do realize that the Drug Cartels are committing crimes far far worse than tax evasion, right? And there have been no repercussions for them. By suddenly charging them with tax evasion, do you think they'll be stopped? Let's try to explain this with math. Suppose X amount of drugs has a market price of $100 and of that, $20 is the actual production cost and $80 is the amortized cost of law enforcement occasional…

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Post by dllthomas »

coldtea wrote: post #161
Crito wrote: post #110

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Black budgets alone are enough to make them a rogue agent for all practical intents and purposes. How do you audit an organization like the CIA without the CIA's cooperation? In order to audit the CIA you must first trust the CIA, but the purpose of the audit would be to establish trust in the first place. Trust of the CIA cannot be bootstrapped. They cannot be audited without trust. Since we cannot trust them, it wo…

It's not like those giving the black budgets don't know what they get in return.

It might be like that. First, anyone approving a budget knows what they're told, but probably has the capacity for very little first-hand verification. Second, not all budgets are "given" - we've previously seen the CIA raise money independently to fund illegal operations.

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Post by dllthomas »

lazaroclapp wrote: post #142
nashequilibrium wrote: post #98

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What would be the effects of legalizing all drugs in Mexico? Will this reduce the power of the cartels?

Just within Mexico? Without changing anything in the US? Not sure. It might not have any effect at all, or it might reduce violence because it diminishes the clashes of the cartels with the Mexican authorities. But, as far as I understand it, the vast majority of the income of the cartels comes from trafficking drugs from Mexico and south america into the U.S. market. So, as long as drugs are both illegal and widely…

"a lot of it involves cartels fighting each other for control of different regions or routes at this point."

Though if the activities themselves were legal, then a cartel that did not itself engage in violence would have recourse to the state, which is probably also cheaper for the cartel than engaging in violence themselves.

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Post by Natsu »

neurobro wrote: post #179
Natsu wrote: post #159

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They had a choice the first time, at least, even if you claim it took that away after. It seems odd to blame one group of people for 3rd degree consequences when ignoring the rest. That seems to be an unpopular statement, but it's still true.

It's like asking people to stop voting for the least-awful of the two candidates showcased on the teevee. Yes, they should just stop for their own good and for the public good, but it's not going to happen.

I'm not expecting them to stop, I'm saying they can't simply be absolved of responsibility if you're going to blame the law as well.

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Post by fractallyte »

jacquesm wrote: post #169
stephenhuey wrote: post #153

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I just visited Rwanda and Bosnia a couple months ago, and I heard stories about the UN failing miserably in both places only a couple of decades ago. A guide in Sarajevo even said the UN would sometimes accidentally return captured Bosnian civilians to the Serbian army on the hillside. With "friends" as competent as that, Mexico would probably be better off without UN soldiers.

The UN made plenty of mistakes. But that does not mean the situation with their actions is worse than what would have been without. Without such competent friends your guide in Sarajevo might not even be alive today. Yugoslavia was an ugly war, the 'coalition' made plenty of grave mistakes but in the end it did stop a conflict that would have most likely ended much worse. I have friends on just about all sides in tha…

Apologies, but I have to nitpick.

UN actions (ie. the arms embargo) made the conflict unbalanced - giving the advantage to one side, which then proceeded to run amok. Then, the UN repeatedly failed to protect civilian populations from this aggression. The current 'stability' in many places is an artificial equilibrium, maintained by outside forces and those 'dire threats'.

The conflict should reignite - for justice, but just as importantly, for lasting stability.

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Post by [deleted] »

IndianAstronaut wrote: post #164
tn13 wrote: post #122

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It seems that you have reached the heart of the problem. Most of us are miles away from that sort of threat. When the word is out that people are out there looking to murder you, it is immensely stressful. You cant eat or sleep. If I was in her place I would have fled to a different city taking a few days off from work or simply given up the activism to reduce it to a level where the mob would not have bothered that…

>"Most of us are miles away from that sort of threat" The violence here is strikingly close to us. I live in Texas and the violence is really not that far away. The cartels have their tentacles all over the US.

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