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She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by xerophyte12932 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #107
paulhauggis wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, drug consumers can stop purchasing drugs that you know that involve the cartels. But most people that talk about the "War on Drugs" would rather blame the US drug policies instead, rather than the own up to the fact that they are contributing to the problem. I would also like to point out that legalizing drugs would not solve the problem. The problem is corruption, not the drugs themselves. Look at Miami in the…

> Fix the corruption..and you fix the cartel issue. You have the cause and effect inverted. Everyone has a price. The reason there is so much corruption in Mexico is that we've made corruption so profitable. > If I were the cartels, I would continue selling my product, this time legal (similar to how companies are outsourcing to China..drug companies will outsource to Mexico). My power would continue or increase, bec…

> Tax evasion is a felony. The cost of continually having your employees arrested and assets seized can easily exceed the cost of just paying the taxes (which is kind of the idea).

You do realize that the Drug Cartels are committing crimes far far worse than tax evasion, right? And there have been no repercussions for them. By suddenly charging them with tax evasion, do you think they'll be stopped?

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Post by tn13 »

legacyfruit wrote: post #52
theobon wrote: post #25

Why are the majority of the comments here blaming the victim? This is the death if a person who tried to stand against an overwhelming force. To try and stand against the cartels where the police didn't dare and instead of honouring her work or get death you mock her for not using tor. If you seriously think that lack of cybersecurity is the problem then at least use this to highlight the lack of good easy to use sec…

In the epilogue one of his books (maybe "the drowned and the saved"?), Auschwitz survivor Primo Levi describes giving a talk to a group of schoolchildren. One boy asked him to describe the layout of the camp, and then described how he would have escaped if he had been in Auschwitz. Nothing Primo Levi could say would convince the boy that escape was impossible. Now I'm not saying that it was impossible for this citize…

It seems that you have reached the heart of the problem. Most of us are miles away from that sort of threat. When the word is out that people are out there looking to murder you, it is immensely stressful. You cant eat or sleep.

If I was in her place I would have fled to a different city taking a few days off from work or simply given up the activism to reduce it to a level where the mob would not have bothered that much.

Note: Those who think that she could have managed to conceal her identity, why dont you take her work forward ? Whatever she did you too could do it from safety of USA. (Rhetorical challenge of course).

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Post by vacri »

VexXtreme wrote: post #3

If you're going to whistleblow on your local government online (be that a legitimate government, or a violent drug cartel), the only reasonably safe way to do it is from outside the country AND using Tor. It amazes me that people don't take these basic precautions. Mexican cartels are known to have infiltrated ISPs, where they were able to tie IP addresses to identities. Using encryption is the only way. EDIT: may I…

Because if a cartel member is looking for a whistleblower and sees that you use Tor, they're just going to respect your right to privacy and move along?

Anyway, tor wouldn't have helped the woman in the article; she was found by them going through her local app.

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Post by zavi »

handle_bars wrote: post #79
chuckcode wrote: post #21

When can we stop the madness and regulate drugs rather than criminalizing them? Didn't we learn anything from prohibition?? In a time when so many people are aware of the limitations of government why do so many people think that we're going to resolve the drug problems with more government in the form courts and prisons. We're just creating a market opportunity for the cartels by inflating prices and turning their c…

Are you suggesting that we legalise everything that is currently illegal, so that we would have no need to prohibit anything and turn nobody into criminals? We could very well apply this logic to say, murder. Why not let us legalise murder, set up appropriate channels for people to hire hitmen to kill each other, so that the underground killers would not have any more customers and then they will gradually die out?

Murder directly harms other people, while drugs directly affect only the person taking them. The line is if it directly harms others it should be illegal; otherwise not.

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Post by [deleted] »

nashequilibrium wrote: post #98
lazaroclapp wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have quite an amount of oil. But that oil will continue to be sold to the U.S. (and others) regardless of what happens with the cartels or to the people of Mexico (Short of a revolution, I suppose). In fact, in recent years, reforms have been passed to make it easier for foreign companies to get involved in oil extraction in Mexico. Given that, there is very little incentive to send an occupation force in order to…

What would be the effects of legalizing all drugs in Mexico? Will this reduce the power of the cartels?

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Post by shkkmo »

jn1234 wrote: post #58
Crito wrote: post #13

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And the mob survived the end of alcohol prohibition in the US. It nevertheless weakened them.

The mob in the US didn't even reach its height until the Commission was formed and that was 2 years before the end of Prohibition. The Commission lasted for more than 50 years after the end of Prohibition. What really needs to happen in Mexico is a concerted effort between Mexican and American authorities to crack down on the cartels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Commission_(mafia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ap…

So... your argument is that because 13 years of alcohol prohibition was sufficient to cause the creation of an organized drug network that lasted 50 years after it's repeal... we shouldn't end prohibition of other drugs?

Yes, the cartels are established and entrenched and will be difficult to remove. However, ending prohibition would at least stop funneling large amounts of money to them now. We could then start the generations long process of rooting out and destroying these organizations created by our failed drug policy.

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Post by shkkmo »

Natsu wrote: post #68
rhizome wrote: post #6

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Prohibition is the only reason those cartels have customers.

Nobody is forcing their customers to give them money (save possibly the cartels themselves, I'm not sure). They could go with out or go to a country where it's legal, among other options.

...because that's how addictive drugs work? Drug addicts make rational choices and have lots of money to spend on planning international trips?

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Post by prawn »

legacyfruit wrote: post #52
theobon wrote: post #25

Why are the majority of the comments here blaming the victim? This is the death if a person who tried to stand against an overwhelming force. To try and stand against the cartels where the police didn't dare and instead of honouring her work or get death you mock her for not using tor. If you seriously think that lack of cybersecurity is the problem then at least use this to highlight the lack of good easy to use sec…

In the epilogue one of his books (maybe "the drowned and the saved"?), Auschwitz survivor Primo Levi describes giving a talk to a group of schoolchildren. One boy asked him to describe the layout of the camp, and then described how he would have escaped if he had been in Auschwitz. Nothing Primo Levi could say would convince the boy that escape was impossible. Now I'm not saying that it was impossible for this citize…

And against such a dangerous threat, would you really trust that you couldn't be identified by writing analysis from a committed enough opponent? Not to mention the publicised bounty meaning that you could barely confide in anyone or slip up anywhere.

"There's a woman at my work who often uses that same turn of phrase. Wonder if it's her? $50k would really help me."

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Post by shkkmo »

Yardlink wrote: post #87
chimeracoder wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the more reason to encourage domestic production of drugs in regulated (ie, legal and not cartel-run) markets. Blaming the customers is ineffective, because there's no way to end the demand for drugs entirely - we have decades of prohibitions that prove that[0]. Whether or not you or I would like them to boycott these products on principle en masse is a moot point, because it's just not feasible. [0] If we can't…

Blaming the customers is what we do with pedophiles. It seems to work even though it's immoral.

Is that working? I thought we had successfully driven pedophiles away from professional help and into online communities where their behavior is encouraged.

Or are you being sarcastic?

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Post by shkkmo »

VexXtreme wrote: post #3

If you're going to whistleblow on your local government online (be that a legitimate government, or a violent drug cartel), the only reasonably safe way to do it is from outside the country AND using Tor. It amazes me that people don't take these basic precautions. Mexican cartels are known to have infiltrated ISPs, where they were able to tie IP addresses to identities. Using encryption is the only way. EDIT: may I…

I agree. What this woman did was not "reasonably safe". This woman is a hero for the work she did for her community and because of the risks she took to do so. I find this level of bravery amazing as well.

(Also upvoted you.)

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