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She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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shkkmo wrote: post #129
Yardlink wrote: post #87

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Blaming the customers is what we do with pedophiles. It seems to work even though it's immoral.

Is that working? I thought we had successfully driven pedophiles away from professional help and into online communities where their behavior is encouraged. Or are you being sarcastic?

Pedophile behavior in online communities doesn't harm anyone, and doesn't need professional help any more than homosexual behavior needs professional help. It's the illegal production of the product that causes the harm.

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Post by DanBC »

Yardlink wrote: post #181
shkkmo wrote: post #129

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Is that working? I thought we had successfully driven pedophiles away from professional help and into online communities where their behavior is encouraged. Or are you being sarcastic?

Pedophile behavior in online communities doesn't harm anyone, and doesn't need professional help any more than homosexual behavior needs professional help. It's the illegal production of the product that causes the harm.

Some peodophiles predate young people using online communities to do so. This does harm those people.

Making a link between homosexuality (consenting adults) with the paraphilia paedophilia (adults predating children) is a fucking weird thing to do.

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cynicalkane wrote: post #36
monochr wrote: post #24

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Yes, it literally would have since they found out who she was by looking through her phone after kidnapping her for an unrelated death of a cartel member. Try and read the article before you comment.

So in your theory, bloodthirsty murdering cartels are going to kidnap people, but let them go if they hit the panic encryption button on their phones or happen to be using a secret password. This is an interesting view of how drug cartels work. Personally, I don't know what the penalty for "contempt of drug cartel that just kidnapped you" is, but it seems unlikely to lead to a positive outcome.

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Post by psykovsky »

jacquesm wrote: post #166
selimthegrim wrote: post #66

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Snowden made this point at HOPE X - crypto is not going to obviate having some stones.

And even Snowden is regularly vilified (right here on HN for that matter) for being a coward because he 'ran away instead of facing the consequences'.

Oh, he's facing the consequences... maybe not the consequences that certain groups would want him to face, but consequences nonetheless.

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Post by psykovsky »

jpatokal wrote: post #147
tn13 wrote: post #122

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It seems that you have reached the heart of the problem. Most of us are miles away from that sort of threat. When the word is out that people are out there looking to murder you, it is immensely stressful. You cant eat or sleep. If I was in her place I would have fled to a different city taking a few days off from work or simply given up the activism to reduce it to a level where the mob would not have bothered that…

A few days, and then what? Her job is at home, and so is the mob. Most people can't just hop across a border and start a new life on a whim.

That is their problem. It isn't an impossible problem, it's just that some people don't want a solution, just a patch.

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Post by psykovsky »

paulhauggis wrote: post #94
drawkbox wrote: post #72

We've created a monster with the War on Drugs. It will only get worse unless we reverse course. Unless we do, the violence/terrorism on the border could increase dramatically. We have a historical model in alcohol prohibition and know what it does and what happens after. We blame Mexico, Central and South America for much of this but policies and our actions there are creating these black markets where only criminals…

Well, drug consumers can stop purchasing drugs that you know that involve the cartels. But most people that talk about the "War on Drugs" would rather blame the US drug policies instead, rather than the own up to the fact that they are contributing to the problem. I would also like to point out that legalizing drugs would not solve the problem. The problem is corruption, not the drugs themselves. Look at Miami in the…

Thank you, at least for showing me Miame Vice wasn't all fiction, after all ;)

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by paulhauggis »

paulhauggis wrote: post #94
drawkbox wrote: post #72

We've created a monster with the War on Drugs. It will only get worse unless we reverse course. Unless we do, the violence/terrorism on the border could increase dramatically. We have a historical model in alcohol prohibition and know what it does and what happens after. We blame Mexico, Central and South America for much of this but policies and our actions there are creating these black markets where only criminals…

Well, drug consumers can stop purchasing drugs that you know that involve the cartels. But most people that talk about the "War on Drugs" would rather blame the US drug policies instead, rather than the own up to the fact that they are contributing to the problem. I would also like to point out that legalizing drugs would not solve the problem. The problem is corruption, not the drugs themselves. Look at Miami in the…

suppression of free speech only shows the world that I am right and you are afraid of the truth. When your argument is based on pure emotion and little to no logic or fact (like the responders below)!know I already won anyway.

I suppose it's now time to find and report all of the MJ doctors giving out fake scripts.

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Post by seandhi »

prawn wrote: post #139
seandhi wrote: post #55

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It's still quite naive to think that if this were common practice that the torturers would not torture you until they were convinced that you gave them the _real_ password. Or they might give you the option of giving the real password the first time and make whatever final decision the "quick" or "painless" version rather than the long, drawn-out, most painful version.

They didn't suspect she was Felina until they had seen the account open on her phone. Why would they torture her if, until that point, they already had the unrelated plan of retribution?

If I were in that line of business, I would assume that everyone has valuable information and would take steps to capture that information before it is destroyed. Other valuable information - especially that a physician might carry - might include contacts to other physicians for extortion or medical records on politicians or other adversaries.

I think many intelligence agencies have a similar outlook.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by paulhauggis »

shkkmo wrote: post #116
paulhauggis wrote: post #94

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Well, drug consumers can stop purchasing drugs that you know that involve the cartels. But most people that talk about the "War on Drugs" would rather blame the US drug policies instead, rather than the own up to the fact that they are contributing to the problem. I would also like to point out that legalizing drugs would not solve the problem. The problem is corruption, not the drugs themselves. Look at Miami in the…

> I would also like to point out that legalizing drugs would not solve the problem. The problem is corruption, not the drugs themselves. Look at Miami in the 1970s. It was a war zone, just like Mexico is today. The reason is because you could buy off any cop or government official in the city (check out the documentary "Cocaine Cowboys" for some real news footage from the time). Really? Your evidence is a movie descr…

There are plenty of companies in China that would never work in the us due to laws. You are naive if you think this wouldn't happen in Mexico. How about the diamond industry? We have restrictions, but it has done little to nothing in those African countries.

It's all about volume. People will fake pain once in awhile to get Vicodin, but I don't see 10+ doctors opening up shop for fake scripts. This is he difference.

The U.S. Government has been funding it because people continue to buy the drugs. I blame the consumers, not the government. The consumers just don't want to do the right and difficult thing of boycotting a product that is clearly involved in murder and crime.

If we we talking about tax evasion, the company would be to blame, not failed tax policy. This is no different. He difference is that too many people don't want to give up their beloved MJ.

I only referenced he documentary because it had actual news film footage. You can do the research yourself, I already did and I know the corruption existed. In one year during that time, they had to fire an entire police class due to corruption and payoffs with the cartels. This is a fact.

I guess I really shouldn't care. I will never go to Mexico and legalized drugs really doesn't matter to me. So you can continue to support corruption and violence and Mexico will continue to be a war zone.

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