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She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by judk »

selimthegrim wrote: post #70
ripb wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And what about all the customers of this cartel who give them the money to pay people enough to do things like this? Drugs are a fact of life, they've been used since the dawn of man and will be used likely until the end of man. They're not going away. It's abhorrent that in order to access drugs, you've to essentially send money down the chain to people carrying out such acts...but people are going to do drugs, and…

First offense for using coke - diversion to a work gang picking up dead migrants' bodies on the border second offense - one way ticket to Reynosa or Cd. Juárez or Sinaloa for six months. Think of it as "Survivor: Edición Frontera"

s/coke/crack/

White people use coke.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by icpmacdo »

cynicalkane wrote: post #36
monochr wrote: post #24

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Yes, it literally would have since they found out who she was by looking through her phone after kidnapping her for an unrelated death of a cartel member. Try and read the article before you comment.

So in your theory, bloodthirsty murdering cartels are going to kidnap people, but let them go if they hit the panic encryption button on their phones or happen to be using a secret password. This is an interesting view of how drug cartels work. Personally, I don't know what the penalty for "contempt of drug cartel that just kidnapped you" is, but it seems unlikely to lead to a positive outcome.

It would be interesting if you could have 2 codes to two different user accounts on the phone so she could give them the passcode "5555" and have it link to a harmless twitter/FB and then have another one to use for a private user account.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by monochr »

seandhi wrote: post #78
monochr wrote: post #59

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Again thank you for not reading my post and the links therein: Kerckhoffs' principle: The details of the authentication system that is in place is public information and known to all participants, including Oscar. Alice and Bob retain a shared secret (e.g., a password or set of passwords) that is both private and the foundation upon which the security of the system rests. Observational principle: Alice communicates w…

Oh, I read it. I read it again to make sure that I wasn't missing anything. How exactly does it prevent Alice from being tortured? How does it prevent the torturer from using game theory to entice her to give up the "correct" password from the jump? I'm not being rhetorical... if I'm missing it, please help me understand.

It's in section 4.3:

4.3 Persistent Attacks

Consider a scenario with panic communication and a persistent adversary with goal . In addition, preventing both signals and screens is important.

Working Example: Consider the previously defined improper influence problem in Internet-based voting. Alice could be coerced by Oscar into voting a certain way. Alternatively, Alice may want to sell her vote to Oscar by casting her ballot in his presence. Bob's observable response will be the report of a successful casting of Alice's vote, but he will take the unobserved reaction of disregarding any votes cast under a panic password.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by wyager »

judk wrote: post #77
wyager wrote: post #49

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>Why are the majority of the comments here blaming the victim? I am tired of this sentiment. It is not necessarily incorrect to ascribe partial blame to someone just because they got the short end of the stick in some situation. Being a victim does not automatically preclude one from being at fault. For example, if I jump off a cliff without a parachute, it is clearly reasonable to blame me despite the fact that I am…

And much of the blame lies with you and I for not shouldering some of the risk and uniting with her to be a stronger large force against the murderers.

> much of the blame lies with you and I for not shouldering some of the risk and uniting with her

How do you figure?

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by selimthegrim »

judk wrote: post #81
selimthegrim wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First offense for using coke - diversion to a work gang picking up dead migrants' bodies on the border second offense - one way ticket to Reynosa or Cd. Juárez or Sinaloa for six months. Think of it as "Survivor: Edición Frontera"

s/coke/crack/ White people use coke.

Exactly. Who do you think I want packed off to the border?

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by wyager »

andsosayallofus wrote: post #56
theobon wrote: post #25

Why are the majority of the comments here blaming the victim? This is the death if a person who tried to stand against an overwhelming force. To try and stand against the cartels where the police didn't dare and instead of honouring her work or get death you mock her for not using tor. If you seriously think that lack of cybersecurity is the problem then at least use this to highlight the lack of good easy to use sec…

Cognitive dissonance, just-world fallacy and hammers and nails. It's difficult to read a story a soul-crushingly horrible as this and just wallow in the hopeless unjustness of it all. Coping mechanisms kick in. To preserve the comforting world view that people are in charge of their destiny, tragedy is avoidable and the world makes some sense it becomes necessary to demonstrate that the outcome was predictable and av…

>Cognitive dissonance,

Please elaborate on this.

>just-world fallacy

I don't see how anyone here is subscribing to this fallacy. No one thinks the victim's actions warranted her fate.

>hammers and nails

Crypto would clearly have been more useful in this situation. Sometimes you really do have to hammer in some nails.

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Post by Yardlink »

chimeracoder wrote: post #10
Natsu wrote: post #4

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And what about all the customers of this cartel who give them the money to pay people enough to do things like this?

All the more reason to encourage domestic production of drugs in regulated (ie, legal and not cartel-run) markets. Blaming the customers is ineffective, because there's no way to end the demand for drugs entirely - we have decades of prohibitions that prove that[0]. Whether or not you or I would like them to boycott these products on principle en masse is a moot point, because it's just not feasible. [0] If we can't…

Blaming the customers is what we do with pedophiles. It seems to work even though it's immoral.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by ripb »

handle_bars wrote: post #75
ripb wrote: post #23

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>And what about all the customers of this cartel who give them the money to pay people enough to do things like this? Drugs are a fact of life, they've been used since the dawn of man and will be used likely until the end of man. They're not going away. It's abhorrent that in order to access drugs, you've to essentially send money down the chain to people carrying out such acts...but people are going to do drugs, and…

> Drugs are a fact of life, they've been used since the dawn of man and will be used likely until the end of man. They're not going away. Did you decide on the truth of all of these assumptions by yourself?

I'm on my mobile so can't do much linking, but there is evidence of narcotics use dating back throughout recorded history.

Drugs are extremely popular today.

Using the two above, I made the assumption that people will be using narcotics so long as our species continues, unless their effects can be explicitly replicated and induced by technology at some stage in the future, although I wouldn't necessarily say that such an act would not be doing drugs.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by logn »

monochr wrote: post #14

This is why we need not only password locks and full encryption but panic passwords and hidden logins on every piece of electronics we own. That no mobile OS offers these yet is pathetic. When twitter and facebook don't let you connect anonymously from tor, this is what the result is. If you have a major website that is used by dissidents and journalists in countries such as Mexico or Iran and you don't have a plain…

HN also makes it hard to connect from Tor... "Prove you're legit" and the captcha never lets you through, even after solving it right. This is a common problem with Cloudflare sites. Cloudflare is an enormous security hole as it is and it's making it worse by actively working against Tor and making SSL certs largely untrustable (if they weren't already).

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by huherto »

judk wrote: post #76
walterobm wrote: post #63

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This is not about cybersecurity or encryption. This is about a country that has been poisoned by the brutality of drug cartels for decades. While ISIS terrorizes Iraq and Syria. Living in fear has become the norm for Mexico. But cartels cannot be bombed by drones and Mexico cannot be occupied by foreign forces. There are only two choices for those living in Mexico: either flee to the U.S. or accept living in a countr…

Why can't mexico be occupied by foreign forces? Because there isn't natural resources for the liberators to pay themselves with?

It is not the case for Mexico. Mexico has plenty of oil reserves. But, the war between cartels is a different phenomena. Not everything revolves around oil.
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