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She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by malandrew »

monochr wrote: post #14

This is why we need not only password locks and full encryption but panic passwords and hidden logins on every piece of electronics we own. That no mobile OS offers these yet is pathetic. When twitter and facebook don't let you connect anonymously from tor, this is what the result is. If you have a major website that is used by dissidents and journalists in countries such as Mexico or Iran and you don't have a plain…

It's also a reason why we need to be able to delete our online activity permanently. Everyone who ever corresponded with felina's twitter account via private messages that didn't hide their own identity adequately is at risk. Before the account was suspended, I'm certain they went through the data.

I wouldn't be surprised if they exported all her facebook data as well, which IIRC includes content marked "deleted".

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by drawkbox »

We've created a monster with the War on Drugs.

It will only get worse unless we reverse course. Unless we do, the violence/terrorism on the border could increase dramatically. We have a historical model in alcohol prohibition and know what it does and what happens after.

We blame Mexico, Central and South America for much of this but policies and our actions there are creating these black markets where only criminals get the revenues. How is that the best solution we have? We are actively creating armies south of the border that aren't state associated, I believe that is terrorism.

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Post by selimthegrim »

Crito wrote: post #17
ripb wrote: post #11

It's somewhat amazing that it was a seemingly unrelated kidnapping that lead to her discovery given that she seemed to be tweeting from her own phone, probably publishing from her own (unsecured?) computer etc. and the reach that the cartel are purported to have in law enforcement / military in those areas. I sincerely hope for America's sake that there's no substance to the claims that the CIA are working with these…

The CIA working with cartels abroad is not mere rumor. There is substantial evidence that this takes place. Unfortunately, nobody in this world has the combination of power, opportunity, and desire to take the CIA down for its crimes. They are the closest thing to a god that has ever existed; and organization that is profoundly beyond the grasp of society at large. They smite as they see fit, and there is nothing tha…

This is the funniest shit I've ever heard in my life. The CIA that can't run human intelligence worth shit from Amman to Kabul? The CIA that took 10 years to find Bin Laden after being led around by the nose by the ISI (_nath dalna_, as they say in Urdu/Hindi)?

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by themodelplumber »

drawkbox wrote: post #72

We've created a monster with the War on Drugs. It will only get worse unless we reverse course. Unless we do, the violence/terrorism on the border could increase dramatically. We have a historical model in alcohol prohibition and know what it does and what happens after. We blame Mexico, Central and South America for much of this but policies and our actions there are creating these black markets where only criminals…

What does "reversing course" mean? It seems to me that these are markets that build up in response to our declaration of contraband. Do you think that the U.S.A. should simply legalize some fixed subset of all drugs, or just say, "is it a chemical that some portion of our public urged their congressmen to take action on because our kids were doing it behind the school? If so, OK!" Even the definition of "legalize" seems like a messy problem, to say the least. Like it's easy to say "legalize" but where (geographically) can we find existing models of legalization along with which there is no market that incentivizes drug-related criminal behavior? (Asking sincerely because why should I just believe in "reversing course" without knowing what the plan is?)

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Post by handle_bars »

ripb wrote: post #23
Natsu wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what about all the customers of this cartel who give them the money to pay people enough to do things like this?

>And what about all the customers of this cartel who give them the money to pay people enough to do things like this? Drugs are a fact of life, they've been used since the dawn of man and will be used likely until the end of man. They're not going away. It's abhorrent that in order to access drugs, you've to essentially send money down the chain to people carrying out such acts...but people are going to do drugs, and…

> Drugs are a fact of life, they've been used since the dawn of man and will be used likely until the end of man. They're not going away.

Did you decide on the truth of all of these assumptions by yourself?

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by judk »

walterobm wrote: post #63
theobon wrote: post #25

Why are the majority of the comments here blaming the victim? This is the death if a person who tried to stand against an overwhelming force. To try and stand against the cartels where the police didn't dare and instead of honouring her work or get death you mock her for not using tor. If you seriously think that lack of cybersecurity is the problem then at least use this to highlight the lack of good easy to use sec…

This is not about cybersecurity or encryption. This is about a country that has been poisoned by the brutality of drug cartels for decades. While ISIS terrorizes Iraq and Syria. Living in fear has become the norm for Mexico. But cartels cannot be bombed by drones and Mexico cannot be occupied by foreign forces. There are only two choices for those living in Mexico: either flee to the U.S. or accept living in a countr…

Why can't mexico be occupied by foreign forces? Because there isn't natural resources for the liberators to pay themselves with?

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by judk »

wyager wrote: post #49
theobon wrote: post #25

Why are the majority of the comments here blaming the victim? This is the death if a person who tried to stand against an overwhelming force. To try and stand against the cartels where the police didn't dare and instead of honouring her work or get death you mock her for not using tor. If you seriously think that lack of cybersecurity is the problem then at least use this to highlight the lack of good easy to use sec…

>Why are the majority of the comments here blaming the victim? I am tired of this sentiment. It is not necessarily incorrect to ascribe partial blame to someone just because they got the short end of the stick in some situation. Being a victim does not automatically preclude one from being at fault. For example, if I jump off a cliff without a parachute, it is clearly reasonable to blame me despite the fact that I am…

And much of the blame lies with you and I for not shouldering some of the risk and uniting with her to be a stronger large force against the murderers.

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Post by seandhi »

monochr wrote: post #59
seandhi wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still quite naive to think that if this were common practice that the torturers would not torture you until they were convinced that you gave them the _real_ password. Or they might give you the option of giving the real password the first time and make whatever final decision the "quick" or "painless" version rather than the long, drawn-out, most painful version.

Again thank you for not reading my post and the links therein: Kerckhoffs' principle: The details of the authentication system that is in place is public information and known to all participants, including Oscar. Alice and Bob retain a shared secret (e.g., a password or set of passwords) that is both private and the foundation upon which the security of the system rests. Observational principle: Alice communicates w…

Oh, I read it. I read it again to make sure that I wasn't missing anything. How exactly does it prevent Alice from being tortured? How does it prevent the torturer from using game theory to entice her to give up the "correct" password from the jump?

I'm not being rhetorical... if I'm missing it, please help me understand.

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by handle_bars »

chuckcode wrote: post #21

When can we stop the madness and regulate drugs rather than criminalizing them? Didn't we learn anything from prohibition?? In a time when so many people are aware of the limitations of government why do so many people think that we're going to resolve the drug problems with more government in the form courts and prisons. We're just creating a market opportunity for the cartels by inflating prices and turning their c…

Are you suggesting that we legalise everything that is currently illegal, so that we would have no need to prohibit anything and turn nobody into criminals?

We could very well apply this logic to say, murder. Why not let us legalise murder, set up appropriate channels for people to hire hitmen to kill each other, so that the underground killers would not have any more customers and then they will gradually die out?

Re: She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her Murder

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Post by Kiro »

VexXtreme wrote: post #3

If you're going to whistleblow on your local government online (be that a legitimate government, or a violent drug cartel), the only reasonably safe way to do it is from outside the country AND using Tor. It amazes me that people don't take these basic precautions. Mexican cartels are known to have infiltrated ISPs, where they were able to tie IP addresses to identities. Using encryption is the only way. EDIT: may I…

People downvote based on disagreement, just as they upvote based on agreement.

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