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Teacher spends two days as a student and is shocked at what she learns

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Re: Teacher spends two days as a student and is shocked at what she learns

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I think to some extent she underestimated the differences in her own body after 15 years. I recall being bored and fidgety in school, but I was never so physically drained just from sitting in the way that she describes. That's probably something an increasingly inflexible adult experiences more than a child does.

I remember being tired every day in Jr. High and High School, struggling to not fall asleep. Once the school day was over, I'd suddenly get a huge boost of energy.

I always hated that. Sitting in a warm room, a lecturer drones on in a pleasant monotone, I fight to keep my eyelids open but they just feel so heavy, I need to sleep... Then, class is over, step outside, BAM. Fresh and awake. WTF, body, why couldn't you be this alert when it mattered?

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student and is shocked at what she learns

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question stands, She isn't experiencing what a student experiences she is experiencing what a student experiences when there is another adult in the room. Two very different things.

Are you taking the position that she can gain no useful insight at all from the activity?

No but the problem with the schools isn't that kids don't get to play basketball a minute before class. My history teacher sent me to the office for saying columbus was a slaver, my computer teacher wrote me up for proving he wrote insecure code (sql injection), my science teacher chewed me out for stating that every legitimate scientific body acknowledges evolution is a fact. The problem is the education system isn't about education it's about control.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student and is shocked at what she learns

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I do sit a lot during my day job, but I can tell you that my sitting conditions are vastly more preferable than those of the typical high school student. I sit in an $800+ chair, with a desk with more space than I need, next to a huge window. I can get up anytime I want and go for a walk or break. In high school, I sat in chairs that often felt like they were going to fall apart, and my butt was numb or in pain half…

> I sit in an $800+ chair, with a desk with more space than I need, next to a huge window. I can get up anytime I want and go for a walk or break. Truly a representative case!

You can replace $800 chair with $200 chair, maybe a cubicle vs. an open office and no windows as a typical medium case insurance company / call center office worker. And if your at a place where the rent is cheap, your cubicle is probably bigger than his desk too.

Still much better than a lot of student classrooms.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student and is shocked at what she learns

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This is one of the reasons I like my school. Points 1 and 3 in the article are pretty close to nonexistent. [1]: We operate on a 4x4 schedule (4 classes August - December, 4 classes January - June). So we sit in one class for 90 minutes, a good time to focus on a task and get it done. [2]: Issue 2 is a problem with every school I've been in and seen. I can't think of any school that has managed time in a way that wil…

My experience with a 4x4 schedule was that I would lose focus about 15 to 20 minutes in, start trying to work whatever homework the teacher had assigned, realize I didn't understand it, refocus on the lecture, and realize that I had missed half of it. The only reason I graduated High School on time was because one of my math teachers gave out D's. This was really only an issue in Math classes, where we were expected…

I recall one of my best math class grades was pre-cal my Junior year. I would normally fall into the trap you did, and completely failed Algebra 2 but somehow didn't swing back on it..

Anyway, the teacher, the girls soccer couch, actually gave us a good amount of time after the lecturing to work on our homework. And often he would start the class about 10-15 minutes late and I knew it was to give us a chance to polish off the homework. I recall being in a class of mostly Seniors, and a group of us always ended up working together.. The baseball teams pitcher, who was actually quite sharp, his friend, and a girl I don't quite remember that well. The teacher encouraged us to move our desks together as needed. This arrangement worked out fantastically. We would often divide and conquer the homework, or race through the problems individually. Both had advantages; somebody(me or the pitcher) would almost always have a particular problem figured out if the rest were stuck. It created this interaction that was part competitive and part cooperative/supportive. I suspect we all had fun, learned a lot, and did great on the tests and grades(I did).

I had three main takeaways from this:

1.)The lectures were focused, dense, and did not take up the entire 90 minutes.

2.)We had plenty of time to practice the problems and help each other/get help during the period

3.)I now just recall that this was our lunch period as well, which we took the 2nd to last slot, so we had a break before the last bit of the period. This was quite nice.

As an aside, three of the coaches I had for academic classes are probably in my top 5 list. Their classes were very engaging.. I find this interesting.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student and is shocked at what she learns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm hiring a CSP to handle all the paperwork/taxes/etc and an assistant to handle organizing my appointments/schedule. I'm hoping that will be sufficient for at least the first six months or so.

What is a csp?

Corporate services provider.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student and is shocked at what she learns

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I found this interesting. I worked for a few years teaching technical subjects to mid-career adults and ended up adopting an educational theory not too dissimilar to the author, but for mostly different reasons. Previous discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8251569 I remember high school very well, and it was a pretty torturous experience. If you could design an educational program that was almost guarante…

Kalid Azad (Author of BetterExplained website) has a nice teaching ideology that I find really makes things click (for math at least). Link here: http://betterexplained.com/articles/adept-method/

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student and is shocked at what she learns

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I went to high school in the south (Mississippi) and north (Washington state); I can tell you the latter was much more accommodating to lefties than the former.

> south (Mississippi) and north (Washington state) The whole concept of "North vs. South" is an anachronism from a time when most of middle-/western-America wasn't part of the picture. Washington state, while north of Mississippi, is part of the Pacific Northwest, not part of the "North." You'd be in for a rough time if you would expect (e.g.) Washington (state), North Dakota, Ohio, and Rhode Island to all have some…

True. This was in the 80s/90s, maybe its better now, but Mississippi was like a third world country even compared to Tennessee, Kentucky, or some parts of Arkansa, while Washington definitely has better schools than next-door libertarian Idaho.

On another note, no one is left handed in China, so I've had problems in Beijing with the inevitable right handed desk at work.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student and is shocked at what she learns

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Saved you a click (from the top comment the last time this was posted): The three points from the article: > [1] Students sit all day, and sitting is exhausting. > [2] High School students are sitting passively and listening during approximately 90% of their classes. > [3] You feel a little bit like a nuisance all day long. People wonder why high school aged students are unruly, unpleasant, and filled with deep negat…

And this, in a nutshell, is why my wife and I let our son "online homeschool" when he asked. He's a freshman in highschool and to quote him: "I'm happy to not have to deal with the arbitrary 'lord of the flies' social structure in High School and just be a normal person."

How does he know what a normal person is?

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student and is shocked at what she learns

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I remember high school. During class I hid whatever book I actually wanted to read at the time inside the class book and drowned out the teacher. If homework was worth >10% of the total grade for the class (so that you couldn't get an A from tests/quizzes alone), I would copy the homework from someone else the period before. Tests & quizzes are so gameable it's a complete joke. Standardized tests even more so. Withou…

Similar situation and ventured on my own. Crashed and burned since the incentives are very much different. Lots of other issues too but best of luck. It's a wakeup call for sure and completely for the best.
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