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Re: Should people be eating more fat?

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Post by a_c_s »

lingben wrote: post #14
calebm wrote: post #11

I read that several years ago, some farmers figured they could fatten up their cattle by feeding them more fat, so they fed them a bunch of coconut oil. But instead of getting fat, they lost weight.

best way to fatten livestock is to feed them carbs (ie corn!) grass fed cows grow much much leaner than those on corn

For cows grass is also predominantly carbs! Grass is mostly fiber, which is converted into carbs by the intestinal flora of the cow.

So why does corn fatten them better? Is it the macronutrient makeup of digested grass vs digested corn, or is it simply that corn is more calorie dense than grass?

Re: Should people be eating more fat?

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Post by atom-morgan »

rickdale wrote: post #5

I lost over 50 pounds about 3 years ago now. And since then I have been relearning to eat and doing a good job at it. One of the tricks of the eating healthy trade that I learned and has helped me tremendously, is to put fatty stuff into drinks; mostly teas and coffees. Like bulletproof coffee[0]. Often you hear don't drink empty calories, but as someone that has never counted a calorie I can attest that it is more i…

OT but what Onnit products have you tried? I've only tried Alpha Brain myself and can't recommend it enough.

Re: Should people be eating more fat?

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Post by bpicolo »

_broody wrote: post #40
Keats wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will need to provide source for the "People eat too many carbs in their daily life and don't even notice and they carry lots of long term health risks". And preferentially one that also compares with asian diets since they have with lots of carbs.

Asians have a very high carb tolerance from having lived with a high-carb diet for thousands of years. Comparing your diet to an asian's is definitely not a good way to determine whether it will be healthy for you.

Got research sources? Sounds like the kind of thing someone makes up.

Re: Should people be eating more fat?

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Post by bane »

owenmarshall wrote: post #4

One other recent study that jumped out at me was one on salt: apparently new studies are showing that CDC guidelines on sodium intake are far too low(1) and should be increased for health. I wonder if much of the problem with the seemingly contradictory nature of studies like this the wide variance you see with us humans. I know good experimental design is about controlling for these variables, but it seems to be ext…

Discussions about salt always remind me of the story of the Russian Lykov family, who had spent 40 years living in isolation. When they were first found, they didn't even know WW2 had happened and the only gift they would accept from the outside world was salt, something they simply couldn't get enough of living in the forests of Siberia. They described living without salt as "torture".

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/for-40-years-this-russ...

Another video, a first contact with a tribe in Papau New Guinea, they introduce them to rice. At first they don't like it, but when they add salt, the tribe becomes excited and they share in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd0I1xAICOc

Re: Should people be eating more fat?

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Post by jp555 »

tormeh wrote: post #32
jp555 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The macronutrient content of your diet has nothing to do with how much you gain/lose. The only way you are losing weight is that you are in a caloric deficit. Whether that's from increased activity, decreased energy intake, or a combination of these, there is no other way (besides liposuction). The low-carb thing is just a trick to get you to eat fewer calories. Not to say it's not valuable - whatever works for you -…

The thing with carbs is that they don't really satiate you as much as fat and protein does. You'll stabilize on a much lower weight if you (partially) remove bread, pasta, rice etc. from your diet. It requires so much less willpower to lose weight without them.

Agreed. But it's not the carbs themselves, it's the calories in the carbs, and the fact that most of the snacks we eat are carbs. Avoid carbs and you avoid most snacks, which makes it easier to maintain a caloric deficit.

It was the same rational in the 1980s, but FAT was the villain then. Avoid fat and you avoid loads of calories (9kcal/g v.s 4kcal/g for carbs) which makes it easier to lose weight. But low-fat or low-carb is irrelevant if you're eating a surplus of energy, it's just going to make fat from that surplus irregardless of the macro proportions.

Re: Should people be eating more fat?

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Post by Keats »

_broody wrote: post #40
Keats wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will need to provide source for the "People eat too many carbs in their daily life and don't even notice and they carry lots of long term health risks". And preferentially one that also compares with asian diets since they have with lots of carbs.

Asians have a very high carb tolerance from having lived with a high-carb diet for thousands of years. Comparing your diet to an asian's is definitely not a good way to determine whether it will be healthy for you.

Can you give a link for a research showing that ?

Re: Should people be eating more fat?

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Post by huehue »

_broody wrote: post #40
Keats wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will need to provide source for the "People eat too many carbs in their daily life and don't even notice and they carry lots of long term health risks". And preferentially one that also compares with asian diets since they have with lots of carbs.

Asians have a very high carb tolerance from having lived with a high-carb diet for thousands of years. Comparing your diet to an asian's is definitely not a good way to determine whether it will be healthy for you.

You must think caucasians were feeding on meat every single day or something.

Re: Should people be eating more fat?

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Post by flovec »

rickdale wrote: post #5

I lost over 50 pounds about 3 years ago now. And since then I have been relearning to eat and doing a good job at it. One of the tricks of the eating healthy trade that I learned and has helped me tremendously, is to put fatty stuff into drinks; mostly teas and coffees. Like bulletproof coffee[0]. Often you hear don't drink empty calories, but as someone that has never counted a calorie I can attest that it is more i…

Bulletproof coffee an hour after a warm lemon/honey water in the morning has done wonders for my energy levels throughout the day.

Re: Should people be eating more fat?

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Post by jp555 »

dmm wrote: post #33
jp555 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The macronutrient content of your diet has nothing to do with how much you gain/lose. The only way you are losing weight is that you are in a caloric deficit. Whether that's from increased activity, decreased energy intake, or a combination of these, there is no other way (besides liposuction). The low-carb thing is just a trick to get you to eat fewer calories. Not to say it's not valuable - whatever works for you -…

What if the macronutrient content of your diet affects your metabolic rate? I mean I see the value of the "bucket with a hole in it" model of human weightloss but the body is a complex biological machine full of feedback mechanisms so maybe that model isn't always sufficient.

Macros do not significantly affect metabolic rate. Exercise does though.

Glycogen (carbs) is the preferred fuel for almost every cell in our bodies. All the fat & protein we eat that ends up used as metabolic fuel will first be converted into carbs. Now granted the thermal effect of these macros are different (it takes more energy to turn protein into fuel than it does to convert table sugar) but the idea that "you need to eat fat to burn fat" is a myth.

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