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A Raw Deal in Michigan

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Re: A Raw Deal in Michigan

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post #131

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So Congress could set limits on how much money the New York Times could spend to cover federal elections?

News coverage of federal elections is vastly different than candidate advocacy.

Agreed. But news agencies seem to cross that divide when they feel the need to endorse political candidates.

Re: A Raw Deal in Michigan

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post #106

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Solution: Only a candidate can pay for ads, campaigning, and the like. There is a campaign contribution cap reasonably low as your average citizen could reach it. None of these BS PACs, none of this "I'll make a large donation if you 'listen' to what I want".

What happens in the rich candidate vs poorer candidate elections then? The richer one would get a lot more viewership and exposure, increasing his chances to win. It doesn't solve the problem.

Hell, allocate a specific amount to each candidate for elections. We already have such a system in place[0]. Just make that mandatory.

[0] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_election_campaign_...

Re: A Raw Deal in Michigan

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post #131

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So Congress could set limits on how much money the New York Times could spend to cover federal elections?

News coverage of federal elections is vastly different than candidate advocacy.

It doesn't matter how different it is: If money is not speech, why couldn't Congress prevent the Times from spending money to write and print articles about candidates?

Re: A Raw Deal in Michigan

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post #100

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Cold weather performance is trumpeted a lot by EV detractors, but the number one selling new car in Norway last month was the Tesla Model S. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/08/tesla-norway-idUSL... Here's an interesting interview from Elon Musk about the Tesla battery winter performance. http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/01/interview-with-elon-musk...

I live in a very cold place with weather comparable to Norway. There are lots of problems when it comes to dealing with cars in the winter. I have no doubt that Tesla could be a decent choice for a car, but it makes perfect sense to be a bit wary about electric vehicles manufactured in California sunshine, especially if you don't have a garage to store the car in. In addition to battery life and cabin heating issues,…

> "it makes perfect sense to be a bit wary about electric vehicles manufactured in California sunshine"

It makes no more sense than a Florida driver being wary of overheating a car made in Detroit. There may actually be some winter weather technical problems that Tesla has yet to resolve, I honestly don't know. But everything in your post is either speculation or a fallacy called argumentum ad populum [1].

If I were to speculate, I'd assume that an electric vehicle would be more reliable than a gas powered one in the winter, not less. Ignition is simpler, there are less moving parts, etc. But it's still speculation, and you can't make an argument from a point of ignorance.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Re: A Raw Deal in Michigan

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post #131

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So Congress could set limits on how much money the New York Times could spend to cover federal elections?

News coverage of federal elections is vastly different than candidate advocacy.

LOL what? The New York Times has endorsed a Democratic president for the last 50 years or something.

Re: A Raw Deal in Michigan

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post #104

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From your first link: > "Electric cars have been especially popular in Norway because of generous subsidies, free parking, government-provided re-charging stations, the right to use express lanes on highways and exemptions from tolls." Yeah, Michigan has (almost) none of that. Cold weather battery performance could be ignored here if there were charging stations all over. Sure, there are a handful of charging station…

You missed the point. Norway's average temperature is way colder than Michigan's. http://www.weather-and-climate.com/uploads/average-temperatu... Oslo, Norway is one of the southern cities... Norway's geography extends all the way up to the arctic circle. Its latitude is more similar to Alaska . Tromsø, Norway is very far above the arctic circle, and my understanding is that the Tesla has been performing quite well e…

95 inches in 1997 was not the amount of snowfall that year.

It was the record depth of snow that accumulated on the ground. Meaning that more snow than that likely fell through the year.

Re: A Raw Deal in Michigan

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post #39

Michigan is in the toilet. Detroit is bankrupt, huge parts of the city are abandoned ruins, and the rest of the state isn't much better off. Tesla probably would not sell many cars there anyway. If I'm wrong, it's a good opportunity for northern Indiana or Ohio to court a Tesla store.

> If I'm wrong

You are.

The suburbs of Detroit are some of the wealthiest zip codes in the country, much of the Western coast is filled with beach towns and million-dollar lake houses, the HQs of dozens of multi-billion dollar business are there, and Michigan is the 9th most populous state in the US. Tesla would sell plenty of vehicles there.

Re: A Raw Deal in Michigan

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post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cold weather performance is trumpeted a lot by EV detractors, but the number one selling new car in Norway last month was the Tesla Model S. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/08/tesla-norway-idUSL... Here's an interesting interview from Elon Musk about the Tesla battery winter performance. http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/01/interview-with-elon-musk...

I live in a very cold place with weather comparable to Norway. There are lots of problems when it comes to dealing with cars in the winter. I have no doubt that Tesla could be a decent choice for a car, but it makes perfect sense to be a bit wary about electric vehicles manufactured in California sunshine, especially if you don't have a garage to store the car in. In addition to battery life and cabin heating issues,…

This was on Reddit a couple of days ago, it seems that the Tesla door handles are able to break through ice so you can still get into the car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYXKY7fpHWA

Re: A Raw Deal in Michigan

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The funny thing is that Michigan's legislature is run by yokel conservatives who made a big show of becoming a "right to work" state (i.e. making it illegal to have mandatory all-union workplaces) - when corporate interests and Fox News talking points were at stake, they were remarkably eager to thump their chests about free association.

wut? in what world does "free association" equal "mandatory all-union workplaces"?

Just your words.

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