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Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by acdha » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:48 AM UTC

mrottenkolber wrote: post #95

smutticus wrote: post #6

None of these reiews answer the one question I always want answered; will this cause my MBP to crash more often than 10.8.5? I have all the features I need, I want fewer GPU panics. I know these reviewers cannot answer this question, I just want to point out that it's the only relevant question for me. Given Apple's track record, this release will most likely cause my MBP to crash more often, but I want data on that.…

Every time I am intrigued by Apple's UI design I get taken back to reality by threads like these. Thank you. FYI, there are OS distributions that do not crash . My sound card sometimes doesn't survive a hibernation but that's a known hardware fault. Not that a OS level crash would lead to any data loss.

> FYI, there are OS distributions that do not crash.

Yes, I have heard that LepriconSoft's UnicornOS runs quite well on the Hypothetica-9000 processor but everything else has the same real-world problems with faulty hardware and drivers.

You might have a stable setup but that's also true of well over 99% of Mac users – they just also don't tend to go on forums and say “Yeap, everything's still fine here!”.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by rojoca » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:54 AM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #96

Upgrading now: 5.16 gigs. Hah! This is going to take all night. Looks like everyone's downloading it at the same time. I was quite impressed by 10.10 from the Keynote a few weeks ago, and I'm looking forward to experiencing some of that. No iPhone so can't enjoy that level of integration, but perhaps my iPad will be happier. Meanwhile I have a Nexus 5 on order, and I'm debugging problems with my Linux PC's new mother…

I downloaded and installed in about 3 hours but the download kept "failing" and had to be manually resumed from the App Store.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by wtallis » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:56 AM UTC

tillinghast wrote: post #97

wiremine wrote: post #79

Off topic from the review but handy since people were talking about crashing: Learned a cool trick tonight: Yosemite was taking a while to install, so I did some googling and learned you can see the installer's log by typing CMD-L during the install process.

I ran across the cmd-l tip earlier this afternoon in this article: "Faster Mac OS X 10.10 Yosemite Upgrades for Developers" ( https://jimlindley.com/blog/yosemite-upgrade-homebrew-tips/ ). If any of you are thinking of upgrading and use Homebrew, it sounds like it would be in your best interest to have a look. I'm holding off on upgrading until I see some early-adopter reports, but I'll certainly be following these s…

So I guess this is a coincidental validation of MacPorts' decision to install under /opt and leave /usr/local for manually-compiled stuff.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by r00fus » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:58 AM UTC

geekam wrote: post #91

r00fus wrote: post #81

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VMWare 6 seems to be the cause of some of mine. I resolved it by making sure it's suspended prior to system sleep. I wonder if the most recent VMWare version would help.

It helped a little but still crashes for me. I have the same issues with VMWare latest version.

Does suspending the VM help you?

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by jmhain » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 2:12 AM UTC

dutchbrit wrote: post #85

I really don't like the new design. The dock bar looks weird to name one thing, also the new buttons, bars and the window design is just ugly and plain (it feels like a Linux flavour trying to look like OS X designed by someone's neighbour's kid) - don't let me even mention the folder icons. Photoshop stalled once but that's the only quirck I've had in the past 2 weeks of using the beta so that's not too bad. Design…

Meanwhile several Linux desktops have actually incorporated design teams and are starting to look quite beautiful. Never thought I'd see the day where it's prettier than OS X, but today may be that day.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by qqz » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 2:42 AM UTC

azsromej wrote: post #78

qqz wrote: post #75

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Yosemite is completely unusable without Reduce Transparency on IMO.

Unusable in terms of performance?

That's a very small part of it. I just hate the new look in some places, like the color-changing Safari toolbar, and it's just useless and annoying to me. Maybe 'completely unusable' was a bit of an exaggeration…YMMV.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by edrocks » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 2:43 AM UTC

tillinghast wrote: post #97

wiremine wrote: post #79

Off topic from the review but handy since people were talking about crashing: Learned a cool trick tonight: Yosemite was taking a while to install, so I did some googling and learned you can see the installer's log by typing CMD-L during the install process.

I ran across the cmd-l tip earlier this afternoon in this article: "Faster Mac OS X 10.10 Yosemite Upgrades for Developers" ( https://jimlindley.com/blog/yosemite-upgrade-homebrew-tips/ ). If any of you are thinking of upgrading and use Homebrew, it sounds like it would be in your best interest to have a look. I'm holding off on upgrading until I see some early-adopter reports, but I'll certainly be following these s…

Thanks for that. Mines been stuck saying "About a minute remaining" but sure enough cmd+L shows it's moving all my homebrew files.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by mgkimsal » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 2:50 AM UTC

r00fus wrote: post #81

gcao wrote: post #29

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Mine crashes a lot. Usually after I send it to sleep when I go home. Next time when I wake it up, it starts up from crashed state. It might have something to do with some app I installed but I didn't spend time to figure that out yet.

VMWare 6 seems to be the cause of some of mine. I resolved it by making sure it's suspended prior to system sleep. I wonder if the most recent VMWare version would help.

Interesting you got yours to work (VMWare 6) - mine's never worked since I upgraded to 6. $50 upgrade down the drain, no workable support, no one can reproduce it or track down an issue from my logs. :(

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by vacri » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 2:57 AM UTC

glhaynes wrote: post #61

ak217 wrote: post #54

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This. Shadows (fake 3D), textures, colors, and other elements may seem like a gimmick, but they are fundamentally crucial in visual cognition of the UI. What's sad is that so much UI design is driven by meaningless trends instead of more precise research data on how well UI elements work.

Are they actually crucial, though? There was a ton of gnashing of teeth about iOS 7 (and other "flat" designs) but one rarely hears those anymore… and it's not at all clear to me that less-savvy users are having more trouble operating their devices than they did a couple of years ago. In fact, it seems just the opposite, that these devices have steadily continued to integrate themselves into people's lives more than…

Maybe not 'crucial', but definitely helpful and important.

Also, it's a bit much suggesting that it's flat design that's what's responsible for smartphone uptake. If that was the case, then hell, it was skeuomorphism that exploded the market in the first place.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by vor_ » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 3:23 AM UTC

lessnonymous wrote: post #76

toggle wrote: post #13

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I'll check it out, but in his past reviews, I've had the impression that the author really likes showing off his background knowledge of all things Apple. A lot of the text is irrelevant to the review, and therefore shouldn't be there. Also, the endless, endless links. He really needs to learn when something should be linked and when it shouldn't -- it really affects the reading experience on the web. You're constant…

You comment made me laugh and 'ahhhhh!' at the same time. It now makes sense. He's totally into Apple and hasn't been elsewhere. A few of the things he talks about regarding the UI changes are already on Windows, but he talks as if they're a new invention. While he might be talking to a 100% Apple audience, I think it makes him look silly that he doesn't mention they're not Apple-original features. Eg. windows that a…

John Siracusa is certainly aware of Windows, at least visually. The only reason for you to suggest pointing out any little thing that's not "Apple-original" is out of some sort of pointless OS defensiveness. Aero Glass was a simple blurred translucency, while the translucency in Yosemite is a more complex filter and has two content modes, behind-window and within-window. But I don't see what comparing the two accomplishes, honestly.