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When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by jamesaguilar »

mynameishere wrote: post #49
jamesaguilar wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

White men do not understand, any more than I understand what it feels like to be a rabbit. Your comment is a clear example of that failure -- actually, it's worse, because you don't even understand the problem intellectually. Some white men do acknowledge their privilege, but even for them, it will never be possible to experience true systemic hostility based on their gender or race. "Occasionally my gender-race is c…

You don't really need to keep repeating the propaganda from those diversity seminars. We've heard it. And most of us who pay attention know it's all bull. As an example: disproportionate victimization with sexual violence Well, look at who is committing all that sexual violence and then talk about how white people are at fault: http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus/current/cv0842.pdf Most of your other comments are sim…

> Sexual violence ... white people

????? Obviously, I was referring to men as the oppressing group on this point.

Re. the rest, let me make sure I understand your position. "As long as there is someplace black people are worse off than they are in the US, they have nothing to complain about and white privilege doesn't exist." Am I reading you right?

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by lnanek2 »

twidx wrote: post #11
erceciooir wrote: post #3

I know two people who "become women" to get better treatment at university. Dance around it as you wish, but today women has 60% higher chance to graduate compared to men.

this person is obviously full of shit. nobody becomes a trans woman to receive "better treatment."

Honestly, I know countless gamers who play as women to get free stuff from men. I know if a woman was interested in applying for my engineering school she was flown in and wined and dined and met and fawned over by the deans. All the women's sports teams were fully funded and the men's teams all had to run charity events and sell tickets just to afford equipment. Women have a massive advantage in college applications and college programs in general. I can easily see people going through whatever legal requirements necessary to check female instead of male on their college application. Countless people already fake ADD symptoms to get Adderall to do better on tests. Why do you think they would identify as trans woman anywhere outside getting into college and experience any disadvantages?

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by jamesaguilar »

verroq wrote: post #48
jamesaguilar wrote: post #46

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Again, these are questions about your ethical framework that are not answerable by me. Personally I find it detestable and anti-social to try to hoard unearned advantages based on race and gender. If you were my friend and admitted this to me face to face, I would have to seriously consider our relationship. But you aren't my friend, and if you're OK with it there's little I could possibly say to convince you otherwi…

Hoarding these advantages may make life better for everyone.

> Hoarding these advantages may make life better for everyone.

Ew. What a gross thought. I guess it's convenient to believe for a privileged person, but, ew.

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by verroq »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #53
verroq wrote: post #48

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Hoarding these advantages may make life better for everyone.

> Hoarding these advantages may make life better for everyone. Ew. What a gross thought. I guess it's convenient to believe for a privileged person, but, ew.

Rich privilege should also really be a thing, people like Bill Gates never used his privilege to make the world a better place.

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by lexcorvus »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #30
lexcorvus wrote: post #13

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It is a fascinating double-standard. Compare to a similar sentiment someone might express: “I thought Obama would do a perfectly fine job, but it just felt inappropriate to have a black man as President of the United States.” Such a person would be pilloried as a racist. It's astonishing how often people imply or explicitly assert that white men don't understand what it's like to live in a society hostile to their ra…

White men do not understand, any more than I understand what it feels like to be a rabbit. Your comment is a clear example of that failure -- actually, it's worse, because you don't even understand the problem intellectually. Some white men do acknowledge their privilege, but even for them, it will never be possible to experience true systemic hostility based on their gender or race. "Occasionally my gender-race is c…

Yeah, white men, including you, really do not get it.

Dude, you're white—or, at least, you look white [1], which is all the ammunition a Social Justice Warrior needs to accuse you of White Privilege, no matter what your surname is. Realize that, if they ever come after you, it will be people like me who'll defend you.

[1]: From jamesaguilar's HN profile (no cyberstalking required): http://fb.me/james.aguilar

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by jamesaguilar »

lexcorvus wrote: post #55
jamesaguilar wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

White men do not understand, any more than I understand what it feels like to be a rabbit. Your comment is a clear example of that failure -- actually, it's worse, because you don't even understand the problem intellectually. Some white men do acknowledge their privilege, but even for them, it will never be possible to experience true systemic hostility based on their gender or race. "Occasionally my gender-race is c…

Yeah, white men, including you, really do not get it. Dude, you're white —or, at least, you look white [1], which is all the ammunition a Social Justice Warrior needs to accuse you of White Privilege, no matter what your surname is. Realize that, if they ever come after you, it will be people like me who'll defend you. [1]: From jamesaguilar's HN profile (no cyberstalking required): http://fb.me/james.aguilar

I am white. I do have white privilege. I do not need anyone to defend me from activists seeking equality.

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by [deleted] »

theorique wrote: post #45
lexcorvus wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a fascinating double-standard. Compare to a similar sentiment someone might express: “I thought Obama would do a perfectly fine job, but it just felt inappropriate to have a black man as President of the United States.” Such a person would be pilloried as a racist. It's astonishing how often people imply or explicitly assert that white men don't understand what it's like to live in a society hostile to their ra…

Flipping the races (or sexes) around in a statement is often fascinating. Statements that seem benign turn out to be highly racist or sexist, and vice versa. Nowadays, racism against anyone other than white is despised, and sexism against anyone other than men is despised. Conversely, anti-White racism or anti-male sexism is permitted, and in some circles, condoned and even encouraged. Just the politically correct ti…

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Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by lexcorvus »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #56
lexcorvus wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, white men, including you, really do not get it. Dude, you're white —or, at least, you look white [1], which is all the ammunition a Social Justice Warrior needs to accuse you of White Privilege, no matter what your surname is. Realize that, if they ever come after you, it will be people like me who'll defend you. [1]: From jamesaguilar's HN profile (no cyberstalking required): http://fb.me/james.aguilar

I am white. I do have white privilege. I do not need anyone to defend me from activists seeking equality.

I do not need anyone to defend me from activists seeking equality.

You really need to study the French Revolution. You think that because you're part of the current revolution that it won't eventually consume you as well? Consider Danton and Robespierre, a couple of the original "activists seeking equality" (or, rather, égalité). Danton once thought as you do; on his way to the guillotine he shouted at his former ally, "Robespierre, you will follow me! Your house will be razed! Salt will be sown there!" [1] Robespierre once thought as you do; he met the same fate as Danton less than four months later.

[1]: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Jacques_Danton, « Robespierre, tu me suis ! Ta maison sera rasée ! On y sèmera du sel ! », my translation

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by jamesaguilar »

lexcorvus wrote: post #58
jamesaguilar wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am white. I do have white privilege. I do not need anyone to defend me from activists seeking equality.

I do not need anyone to defend me from activists seeking equality. You really need to study the French Revolution. You think that because you're part of the current revolution that it won't eventually consume you as well? Consider Danton and Robespierre, a couple of the original "activists seeking equality" (or, rather, égalité ). Danton once thought as you do; on his way to the guillotine he shouted at his former al…

Far more worried about an asteroid wiping out life on the planet than I am worried about women and minorities guillotining me.

Re: When Women Become Men at Wellesley

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Post by wismer »

lexcorvus wrote: post #58
jamesaguilar wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am white. I do have white privilege. I do not need anyone to defend me from activists seeking equality.

I do not need anyone to defend me from activists seeking equality. You really need to study the French Revolution. You think that because you're part of the current revolution that it won't eventually consume you as well? Consider Danton and Robespierre, a couple of the original "activists seeking equality" (or, rather, égalité ). Danton once thought as you do; on his way to the guillotine he shouted at his former al…

That's quite a rhetorical leap you just made, there.
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