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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:16 PM UTC

mason240 wrote: post #100

archagon wrote: post #50

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Give the Isometric podcast #18 a listen ( http://5by5.tv/isometric/18 ). It might change your mind. Also this: http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point Zoe Quinn tweeted today: "couldn't you just fucking not play my games . Fucking boycott me, don't work with me, just leave my dad alone". She got a dead squirrel in her mailbox a few days ago. Remember: she made a free indie game about depression and had a…

No, that is not all she did. She traded sexual favors for favorable game reviews for with multiple people. I don't want my daughter to grow up have to compete with people who use their bodies as something trade business favors for. Frankly is is disgusting that anyone would be supporting this kind of behavior.

According to the smear campaign? Its hard to know for sure anything about someone who's been attacked by internet vigilantes. I keep from leaping to conclusions when all I have is questionable internet sources.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by untog » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:16 PM UTC

mason240 wrote: post #100

archagon wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give the Isometric podcast #18 a listen ( http://5by5.tv/isometric/18 ). It might change your mind. Also this: http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point Zoe Quinn tweeted today: "couldn't you just fucking not play my games . Fucking boycott me, don't work with me, just leave my dad alone". She got a dead squirrel in her mailbox a few days ago. Remember: she made a free indie game about depression and had a…

No, that is not all she did. She traded sexual favors for favorable game reviews for with multiple people. I don't want my daughter to grow up have to compete with people who use their bodies as something trade business favors for. Frankly is is disgusting that anyone would be supporting this kind of behavior.

No, that is not all she did. She traded sexual favors for favorable game reviews for with multiple people.

No, she didn't. This talking point has been repeated over and over despite the fact that it is factually incorrect - she did, it seems, sleep with a reviewer once. Who never reviewed her game, and only ever wrote anything about her months before they slept together.

The really laughable thing is that if this was really a campaign about corruption in games journalism then there is a ton of it to go around - numerous publications have deeply unhealthy connections to large game companies, like EA. But instead everyone goes after one independent game developer who slept with a guy who never reviewed her game.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by chaostheory » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:17 PM UTC

hnha wrote: post #28

oh, what a fruitful discussion this might trigger.. What I don't get is how they constantly counter-act the common rules on how to deal with trolls or stalkers. It really feels like they are bathing in the outrage, not interested in actually solving it. And that's one reason why I sadly don't feel any sympathy but rather understand the vocal (non socio-/psychopath) critics. There is no fair discussion so I wish the m…

> Middle class white male who once got online death threats after banning a sociopath from a site of his.

The problem is that you have a very narrow point of view. You're also limiting your viewpoint to just equality as opposed to going beyond it to ask 'what is fair?'.

http://jezebel.com/louis-c-k-on-men-we-re-the-no-1-cause-of-...

"I've read some blogs during this whole thing that have made me enlightened to things I didn't know. This woman said how rape is something that polices women's lives. They have a narrow corridor. They can't go out late, they can't go to certain neighborhoods, they can't get a certain way, because they might get-That's part of me now that wasn't before."

"Halfway through the new special, C.K. starts talking about how dating is an act of bravery for all involved. “The male courage, traditionally speaking, is that he decided to ask” a woman out. (Note the careful caveat, 'traditionally speaking.') And if the woman says yes, 'that’s her courage.' That kind of courage, he says, is beyond his imagining. 'How do women still go out with guys, when you consider that there is no greater threat to women than men? We’re the number one threat to women! Globally and historically, we’re the number one cause of injury and mayhem to women.' A moment later he adds, speaking for all men, 'You know what our number one threat is? Heart disease.'"

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by anon3d3c928 » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:17 PM UTC

using a throwaway account because ppl could easily find my twitter, my company, and harass me all day about this (and probably would).

GamerGate is very probably a hate group, with no other legitimate purpose. they're known to send people into forums like this to argue politely and coherently that the "movement" is 100% legitimate. typically the person who comes onto a site like this, to argue in that manner, also makes virtiolic sexist and racist claims elsewhere, typically 8chan (previously 4chan - yes, these people are so fucked up that even 4chan banned them).

the specifics of the GamerGate swindle are very, very interesting for understanding how social media works, and can be misused.

http://jezebel.com/gamergate-trolls-arent-ethics-crusaders-t...

TLDR: Rick Falkvinge's book SwarmWise, plus a great deal of sophisticated and very malicious social engineering.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by UnoriginalGuy » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:17 PM UTC

Xeoncross wrote: post #102

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #81

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I legitimately cannot decide what scares me more, the thought of a mass shooting, or the thought of a bunch of "heroes" with a concealed carry cross-firing. Mark my words, one day a mass shooting will occur, someone will pull out their concealed carry, and a second concealed carry person will come around the corner and shoot the first (or the police will). Once there is panic and an unknown threat, adding more guns i…

Um, more guns is a good thing - that is why we call the police. I think you mean more "skilled"/"trained" gun operators.

I prefer the model where nobody has guns, including the police. Maybe specialist armed units, but your average street cop shouldn't have a firearm: they aren't well trained enough.

It is a proven model. It works. Plus even if you argue "people can just use knives instead," it still stops mass shootings.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by bitJericho » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:18 PM UTC

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #106

bitJericho wrote: post #93

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Yep, that sounds like normal fear-mongering to me.

Then it should be easy to refute, right? Here's the scenario: People are screaming, someone is shooting, you don't know who. You see bodies on the ground, they're bleeding. Then you see someone come around the corner holding a handgun out, they are dressed like a student, you draw your concealed carry and out of fear for your own life you shoot that person. Turns out both you and them are concealed carry. Opps. Expla…

It's fear mongering because it hasn't happened and is incredibly unlikely to happen. At least untog up there provided some sort of actual reporting of similar events, even though it's innocent bystanders getting caught up in the shrapnel from the heros trying to protect themselves from getting shot. That's not this hollywood blockbuster scenario you two have conjured up.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by teamhappy » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:18 PM UTC

The wording of the title sums up the current state of the debate quite good. I (and I'm sure many other as well) stopped reading and writing about it some time ago.

There seem to be endemic problems in all activist movements (you can call it something else if you like) such as the glorification/condemnation of certain individuals, participants being more interested in having it their way than finding compromises, and hype.

Effectively what that means is that people pick a thing, fight over it util the debate eventually reaches unforeseen (well, ...) levels of bigotry and hatred and then it stops. Nothing was accomplished* and everybody moves on to the next thing.

There were multiple debates about gender roles in movies that all went down a similar path.

* That's not entirely true.

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I forgot something. Please stop (ab)using the word feminism. She talks about the representation of women in video games - and she actually calls it that. Feminism is about gender equality. If you'd like to have a debate about the role of men and women in video games, by all means, use the word feminism.

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Also, how can you not see the irony in down-voting my post? Delicious.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by marknutter » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:18 PM UTC

These days isn't receiving death threats on the internet kind of par for the course? How many internet death threats have actually resulted in deaths? I think the answer is zero. Why even pay them any attention?

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by archagon » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:19 PM UTC

mason240 wrote: post #100

archagon wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give the Isometric podcast #18 a listen ( http://5by5.tv/isometric/18 ). It might change your mind. Also this: http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point Zoe Quinn tweeted today: "couldn't you just fucking not play my games . Fucking boycott me, don't work with me, just leave my dad alone". She got a dead squirrel in her mailbox a few days ago. Remember: she made a free indie game about depression and had a…

No, that is not all she did. She traded sexual favors for favorable game reviews for with multiple people. I don't want my daughter to grow up have to compete with people who use their bodies as something trade business favors for. Frankly is is disgusting that anyone would be supporting this kind of behavior.

Accusations aside — which to my understanding have mostly been the rantings of an immature ex[1] — it's a FREE INDIE GAME. About depression. That you don't have to pay money for. In what world does it make sense for someone to sleep with a handful of journalists to get coverage for her free indie game, for literally no financial gain? And in any case, why would anyone even focus on Zoe rather than the journalists, especially in an industry where big companies curry favors with "journalists" all the freaking time? Like, for realsies, and not in an angry, rumor-mongering kind of way?

[1] (Which is really none of my business and I feel icky even bringing it up.)

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by DanBC » Wed, Oct 15, 2014, 4:19 PM UTC

mason240 wrote: post #100

archagon wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give the Isometric podcast #18 a listen ( http://5by5.tv/isometric/18 ). It might change your mind. Also this: http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point Zoe Quinn tweeted today: "couldn't you just fucking not play my games . Fucking boycott me, don't work with me, just leave my dad alone". She got a dead squirrel in her mailbox a few days ago. Remember: she made a free indie game about depression and had a…

No, that is not all she did. She traded sexual favors for favorable game reviews for with multiple people. I don't want my daughter to grow up have to compete with people who use their bodies as something trade business favors for. Frankly is is disgusting that anyone would be supporting this kind of behavior.

> No, that is not all she did. She traded sexual favors for favorable game reviews for with multiple people.

No she didn't. You are smearing her. This point has been soundly rebutted. It's disgusting that you continue to spread false information around her.