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Re: Satya Nadella Email to Employees: RE: Grace Hopper Conference

#71

As a female in tech, this is disheartening because it discourages men to advocate or talk openly for gender equality. How awful is it that we just shamed him publicly so instantly? I hope men aren't discouraged by this. Guy needs a bear hug.

The takeaway I got from this article is that some women in tech find the very idea of male allies condescending: http://readwrite.com/2014/10/09/technology-sexism-male-allie...

What do you think?

Re: Satya Nadella Email to Employees: RE: Grace Hopper Conference

#72

Come on people, have a little class consciousness. Don't expect upper management to give you good career advice.

Exactly, he is thinking as CEO here and the last thing they want is everyone asking for a raise every 6-12 months. He was also led into it a bit when asked about why women haven't asked for a raise that are successful.

I think he should have said when I think the best time to ask for a raise is, just after a major delivery or few. After proving substantive worth via projects/ship is the best time to ask for an uptick. It is more about the timing than anything. I think he was trying to say it this way but failed.

Re: Satya Nadella Email to Employees: RE: Grace Hopper Conference

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post #71

As a female in tech, this is disheartening because it discourages men to advocate or talk openly for gender equality. How awful is it that we just shamed him publicly so instantly? I hope men aren't discouraged by this. Guy needs a bear hug.

The takeaway I got from this article is that some women in tech find the very idea of male allies condescending: http://readwrite.com/2014/10/09/technology-sexism-male-allie... What do you think?

jcheng - The problem of gender equality cannot be solved by women alone if that's what the author is insinuating. Of course men can't truly empathize, they aren't women. It's about awareness. Most senior board positions in the corporate world are held by men - they don't think it's a problem at all and the thought doesn't cross their mind. Not all of them need to "get it right" right away but getting them to talk is a good next step. My school recently did a student body survey on this topic: 34% of my male colleagues think American companies have policies in place to help men & women succeed vs 17%(!) women. http://whartonjournal.com/2014/09/29/wharton-women-in-busine...

Re: Satya Nadella Email to Employees: RE: Grace Hopper Conference

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When has Mark Suster said that?

I think he means http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/04/22/never-hire-job... .

Ugh, the post you linked is baffling. "You’re in it more for yourself than your company." Obviously! It's called rational self-interest. It's the company's responsibility to treat their employees well enough that it's in their best interest to work there. If you've spent a lifetime honing your skills, why would you want to work for someone who doesn't understand this or doesn't care?

Re: Satya Nadella Email to Employees: RE: Grace Hopper Conference

#75

>Maria asked me what advice I would offer women who are not comfortable asking for pay raises >If you think you deserve a raise, you should just ask. Great Advice. A+. His original answer probably answered the question better. The answer he gave for the question he was asked was very appropriate. The "Do it anyways" response that was given by Maria doesn't answer the question, it avoids the topic all together and doe…

Maria gave some useful advice: she said to role-play a negotiation. Satya said, "you are getting paid enough, don't worry about it", which isn't true for most women and isn't true for most men either. (But may be more true for some men, men who already figured out how to ask for a raise.)

Re: Satya Nadella Email to Employees: RE: Grace Hopper Conference

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Video of the interview: http://new.livestream.com/accounts/10060267/events/3447060 The question about women asking for raises happens around 01:34:04.

His answer was painful to watch. That was not a good answer, even naive given how she asked the question. Not asking for a raise is a superpower when so many women are experiencing a pay gap that is attributed, in part, to not asking for raises? What rational logic leads to such a claim? It's good that he apologized though, maybe he gave it some thought and it isn't just a PR move.

It was even more painful live, in a room of 8000 women. Ouch.

Re: Satya Nadella Email to Employees: RE: Grace Hopper Conference

#77

As a female in tech, this is disheartening because it discourages men to advocate or talk openly for gender equality. How awful is it that we just shamed him publicly so instantly? I hope men aren't discouraged by this. Guy needs a bear hug.

I agree, it seemed like he was driving at the idea that we shouldn't dismiss the way women were acting as wrong, but instead try to see the advantages of their approach. Even though he didn't say it like this, I imagine his thought process was that being overly aggressive in negotiations creates ill-will and hurts you in the long run. Maybe there are men out there who constantly ask for raises and would be better off if they didn't.

>I hope men aren't discouraged by this.

90% of men are simply trying to avoid the entire issue as much as possible, because stuff like this happens all the time.

Re: Satya Nadella Email to Employees: RE: Grace Hopper Conference

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post #5

Video of the interview: http://new.livestream.com/accounts/10060267/events/3447060 The question about women asking for raises happens around 01:34:04.

Oh god. The way he delivered it was even worse than reading it on all the news articles. He just said it with this tone of utter wisdom.

When she's giving her answer you can tell by his body language that he very quickly realized how the rest of his day would pan out.

Re: Satya Nadella Email to Employees: RE: Grace Hopper Conference

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post #30
post #4

I think it's impressive, and somewhat refreshing to see someone so plainly admit "Sorry, I fucked up, I was wrong. I know better now." I was expecting more bullshitty-tasting PR-written damage control.

He says he gave the "wrong" answer to the question, not that the answer he gave was wrong. It was very revealing about what he thinks about paying his employees, especially about not trusting those that ask for raises.

Well, that last bit is not at all what he intended to say and that people may get your interpretation out of it is exactly why it is a wrong answer: it's an answer likely to be wrongly understood.

You have to wonder why he mentions 'karma' in the first place. And the best explanation for mentioning it is that he truly believes that those who give trust will receive trust.

Note that this does not imply the converse: it doesn't mean people who do not give trust are not to be trusted. It's just his personal belief that it's good to trust 'the (people in the) system' and the problem is that his personal belief does entirely align with the message he wants to get across, at least not in the eyes of people who do not believe in karma.

Re: Satya Nadella Email to Employees: RE: Grace Hopper Conference

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post #3

It's in Satya's interest for employees not to demand raises. Goes for men too. I bet he tells employees not to share salaries either. All it does is breed discontent when you find out how much more your peers make. Instead, you should work super hard and hope the salary fairy will recognize your contributions! Everyone in a company should go interview every year or two and figure out how much $ you're worth. If you'r…

It's also in his interest not to appear to be an aloof non-ally of women in tech.
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