His response to the response: "Was inarticulate re how women should ask for raise. Our industry must close gender pay gap so a raise is not needed because of a bias #GHC14" https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/520311425726566400
I don't get what that's trying to say. It seems to me he wants to retract the answer because by now he realized how bad it sounds, but at the same time he's also trying not to get all women in the company to ask for raises tomorrow.
So the statement is like "Yeah, yeah we need equal pay for men and women and all that...but don't ask us for raises to actually make that happen".
The essential problem here is that we're still talking about men telling women what they need to do. Because, hey it's their problem. Let's just get it clear, it is all about what we (men) need to do. Slavery wasn't an African person's fault. Xenophobia isn't a problem for foreigners to sort out. There is nothing wrong with realising that we have a privilege over another group in society and making efforts to become…
PPPS: Thanks for those who voted back up. Would be nice to know the reasons for down votes still. Wouldn't it be quite easy to prompt a down voter for a reason and display that reason. Thus encouraging responsible downvoting?
Isn't the problem that they don't ask for raises and negotiate as much or as hard as men do? I wonder what would help women with this. Everyone needs to look out for their own best interests in "the real world", no magic fairy is going to wave a wand and give people doing the same job the same money. There's no economic incentive to do so without pressure. And that pressure must come from the employees.
His response to the response: "Was inarticulate re how women should ask for raise. Our industry must close gender pay gap so a raise is not needed because of a bias #GHC14" https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/520311425726566400
I don't get what that's trying to say. It seems to me he wants to retract the answer because by now he realized how bad it sounds, but at the same time he's also trying not to get all women in the company to ask for raises tomorrow . So the statement is like "Yeah, yeah we need equal pay for men and women and all that...but don't ask us for raises to actually make that happen ".
The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that he went to a panel at a conference to give career advice to women (which has its own problems) and gave them advice for an ideal world instead of for the real world, which also happened to be anti-labor.
I'm actually surprised at how many people in the comments want to immediately defend or explain away his comments. It's pretty clear he meant what he said, and is now on the back foot attempting to undo the damage he did.
Why does this kind of behavior need to be excused as 'out of context' or 'trolling'?
The essential problem here is that we're still talking about men telling women what they need to do. Because, hey it's their problem. Let's just get it clear, it is all about what we (men) need to do. Slavery wasn't an African person's fault. Xenophobia isn't a problem for foreigners to sort out. There is nothing wrong with realising that we have a privilege over another group in society and making efforts to become…
Check out http://heforshe.org/ ... launched recently enough I believe "A solidarity movement for gender equality"
The essential problem here is that we're still talking about men telling women what they need to do. Because, hey it's their problem. Let's just get it clear, it is all about what we (men) need to do. Slavery wasn't an African person's fault. Xenophobia isn't a problem for foreigners to sort out. There is nothing wrong with realising that we have a privilege over another group in society and making efforts to become…
One possibility (as someone who did not downvote) that could lead well-meaning people to sincerely disagree with you:
Your framing of the problem of empowering professional women treats women as professional objects being acting upon by men, and not professional subjects of their own destiny. Many could see your proposal as perhaps self-defeating.
The essential problem here is that we're still talking about men telling women what they need to do. Because, hey it's their problem. Let's just get it clear, it is all about what we (men) need to do. Slavery wasn't an African person's fault. Xenophobia isn't a problem for foreigners to sort out. There is nothing wrong with realising that we have a privilege over another group in society and making efforts to become…
One possibility (as someone who did not downvote) that could lead well-meaning people to sincerely disagree with you: Your framing of the problem of empowering professional women treats women as professional objects being acting upon by men, and not professional subjects of their own destiny. Many could see your proposal as perhaps self-defeating.
That's totally fair enough, but I don't believe that down-voting should be done on opinion - as it can bury a point of view.
Very happy with people disagree-ing with me that's their prerogative of course! But down-voting someone is like flagging them. You should upvote something because you think it's a good comment. But never downvote unless the comment is abusive, flamebait etc. anyway IMHO :-)
Is he quoted out of context, or trolling? I'm confused, because most Microsoft people I know speak really highly of him, but the system is shitty for promoting even white guys in tech, let alone anyone else -- people get promoted by moving jobs every 12-24 months, not through being recognized and rewarded for contributions at companies. "Karma" makes me think he's trolling, or was quoted out of context. (The snarky r…
I think the likeliest case is that he is a poor negotiator himself and has left potential raises on the table without realizing it due to a lack of initiative. The personality types that are more common in the software field are often the personality types that would avoid risk and conflict - two fears that prevent labor from negotiating for better wages. I really don't understand why this is being made into a gender…
In the software field? Maybe. In the billion dollar software company CEO field? No, really not the case.
The essential problem here is that we're still talking about men telling women what they need to do. Because, hey it's their problem. Let's just get it clear, it is all about what we (men) need to do. Slavery wasn't an African person's fault. Xenophobia isn't a problem for foreigners to sort out. There is nothing wrong with realising that we have a privilege over another group in society and making efforts to become…
Check out http://heforshe.org/ ... launched recently enough I believe "A solidarity movement for gender equality"
I have and I think it's a bloomin' good idea. White people fought to end the injustice of black people, so surely it's also men's responsibility to fight for equality/respect for women.