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Re: Reddit CEO Calls Out Former Reddit Employee on Reddit

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Once again, reddit is a free-for-all until it looks like reddit might lose face, then we get an amateur level public response. The employee might not have been a good employee, but this kind of public dressing down is absolutely unprofessional by the CEO. Also: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2iea97/i_am_a_former_...

You try going and running an "AMA" on your former employer's platform - if that time ever comes. Frankly, you mess with the bull, you get the horns.

Let's not kid ourselves, this guy knew why he was let go. If he didn't, then that is an even stronger case for why he was let go.

He made the conscious decision to do an AMA on reddit's platform fully knowing his position on his employment. I think reddit's CEO was completely on target with his post. It was concise and professional - and stated the facts.

If you want to throw rocks at a hornets nest, be prepared to get stung.

Re: Reddit CEO Calls Out Former Reddit Employee on Reddit

#262

Ok, I don't get it. So everyone here says that CEO's statement was childish, and yet next time when another company issues a professional statement, people will be calling it content-less cover-your-ass PR fluff, and crying for more honesty and straight talk. Make up your mind. As for me, personally, I think CEO's response was exactly what it should be. Honest, clear, straight to the point. Reddit just earned my resp…

Thank you -- I wish this was at the top. The fact that people are clamoring for this type of optimistic political correctness is completely mind-boggling, especially when the only arguments presented are 1) It was unprofessional (how? below comment) and 2) It's not backed by facts (unproven)

Ideas of professionalism relate to professions and as far as I'm concerned, if reddit is this man's profession, well, that's just par for the course, isn't it?

I might have the same demeanor in this regard as yishan and if that means people think I'm not CEO material, so be it -- but I believe there are many people out there who value this down-to-Earth, human-driven approach (Hard to find the right words for it; You know what I mean).

Re: Reddit CEO Calls Out Former Reddit Employee on Reddit

#263

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Maybe your confusion will be reduced if you meditate on a few concepts: * "Childish" and "unprofessional" are not synonyms. * Neither are "adult" and "professional". * Neither are "childish" and "honest". * Neither are "adult" and "dishonest". * PR fluff is not the same as the general concept of public relations. * "We will not discuss this." is honest and straightforward, as are a number of alternative statements pe…

Nope, not reduced a bit. Only your last 6 bullets were even semi-relevant (but still snarky) as the rest were mostly semantic nitpicking. FWIW, "Childish" and "unprofessional" can arguably be used interchangeably in this case since they both present the concept of acting in contrast to the social norm of the group (adults & professionals), though their dictionary definitions are far from synonyms.

To me, "unprofessional" means "human", "professional" means "dishonest sociopath".

These are not semantic nitpicks. They have much deeper meaning. I cannot stop you from dismissing them, but I hope you will consider them more than you have.

Re: Reddit CEO Calls Out Former Reddit Employee on Reddit

#264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, not reduced a bit. Only your last 6 bullets were even semi-relevant (but still snarky) as the rest were mostly semantic nitpicking. FWIW, "Childish" and "unprofessional" can arguably be used interchangeably in this case since they both present the concept of acting in contrast to the social norm of the group (adults & professionals), though their dictionary definitions are far from synonyms.

To me, "unprofessional" means "human", "professional" means "dishonest sociopath". These are not semantic nitpicks. They have much deeper meaning. I cannot stop you from dismissing them, but I hope you will consider them more than you have.

I actually upvoted you, because all your bullets are technically true and are worth meditating on.

But I guess in this case, the most relevant conclusion would be that people whining about unprofessionalism and people whining about professionalism are two different groups; usually one speaks up and the other stays silent.

Re: Reddit CEO Calls Out Former Reddit Employee on Reddit

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post #221
post #168

The CEO has responded to the criticism of how it was handled: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditCensorship/comments/2ifd3p/ud... "Hiya. It was a harsh response, I agree (there's actually more, but we're pulling our punches, if you can believe it), and in fact all day yesterday I didn't want to post a reply, hoping his AMA wouldn't get too much traction or he wouldn't spout too many misconceptions and we could all just c…

Without knowing any of the sides here, all I can say for sure is that the ex-Reddit employee is showing a baffling amount of bad judgment here, even when benchmarked against other young-techie-implosions. Maybe he thought, "Oh no biggie, I can always delete this thread later and my real name isn't on it"...yes, until the thread explodes and now one of the many tech-news blogs jumps on it...the "no doxx allowed" rule…

> Some employers are going to reject him because he now has a history of spectacularly ripping on his own company

The worst part for him is that his actions are being flagrantly exaggerated, like you've done right here. He very lightly criticized his employer and speculated in a mild-mannered way on why he might have been fired. The fact that he was fired wasn't even ever intended to be the topic of the thread; he was just willing to respond to a few questions about it. Compared to how most people talk about former employers who have fired them, this guy was downright courteous.

Was it irresponsible for him to start the thread in the first place? Yes. Did he "spectacularly rip" on his own company? Definitely not. His former employer did spectacularly rip on him, though.

Re: Reddit CEO Calls Out Former Reddit Employee on Reddit

#266
post #45

Once again, reddit is a free-for-all until it looks like reddit might lose face, then we get an amateur level public response. The employee might not have been a good employee, but this kind of public dressing down is absolutely unprofessional by the CEO. Also: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2iea97/i_am_a_former_...

You try going and running an "AMA" on your former employer's platform - if that time ever comes. Frankly, you mess with the bull, you get the horns. Let's not kid ourselves, this guy knew why he was let go. If he didn't, then that is an even stronger case for why he was let go. He made the conscious decision to do an AMA on reddit's platform fully knowing his position on his employment. I think reddit's CEO was compl…

The former employee is not the issue here. While reading through most of his AMA he seems pretty fair, respectful and thoughtful in his answers and he's entitled to his opinion, it doesn't discount him from having been a terrible employee. I'm not defending him in any way shape or form, but you'll notice he was very careful with how he worded his statements.

The problem is that as a CEO you never do this. There's a lot of very good reasons why. At the start of that list is "it's unprofessional and bad form", at the bottom is "you'll get your company sued for libel" and in the middle are a whole long list of reasons like "damages current employee morale".

As much fun as it is seeing what appears to be an ungrateful shiftless employee get his comeuppance, airing dirty laundry like that as the CEO of a company is an absolute and very basic no no.

We, as the public, don't even know if what the CEO was claiming is true. If it's not, he just opened his company, now fat with cash, up to a very nice libel lawsuit. If it is true, he may have just irreparably harmed the career of a young tech worker at little consequence to himself, that's just bullying and really bad form.

If what the ex-employee said is true, he was fired for questioning a company policy, I'm sure there's a lot more to the story than that. He could have become disruptive over his questioning and the decision was made to terminate his employment. I don't think most people would have any issue with that, lesson learned on all sides, move on. If it's not true, it's not really all that big a deal, I'm not buying stocks based on his say-so anyways. People make all kinds of claims about their own employment all the time.

The CEO shouldn't have said anything at all. If he felt he really needed to, a simple "Yes, we terminated his employment, those are not the reasons, the reasons are not public" and leave it at that.

Re: Reddit CEO Calls Out Former Reddit Employee on Reddit

#267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, not reduced a bit. Only your last 6 bullets were even semi-relevant (but still snarky) as the rest were mostly semantic nitpicking. FWIW, "Childish" and "unprofessional" can arguably be used interchangeably in this case since they both present the concept of acting in contrast to the social norm of the group (adults & professionals), though their dictionary definitions are far from synonyms.

To me, "unprofessional" means "human", "professional" means "dishonest sociopath". These are not semantic nitpicks. They have much deeper meaning. I cannot stop you from dismissing them, but I hope you will consider them more than you have.

I did consider them -- It just seemed to take the original statement very literally (not actually confusing, but shocking) which seems condescending or snarky at best. But if you were being sincere, then I apologize for the comment.

Re: Reddit CEO Calls Out Former Reddit Employee on Reddit

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post #164

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All the CEO's response accomplishes for me is prove the accusation that was out there. The ex-employee implied management doesn't like criticism. Management then completely overreacts to criticism.

It's not the criticism; it's the fact that an ex-employee is lying through his teeth about the company.

It's far more likely that this is the first time he's ever been given clear reasons for why he was fired. I've never been fired, but when other employees I've known have been fired they've never been given reasons this clear. It's always a variant of "it just wasn't working out." This can lead to very genuine confusion, and so I think it's really jumping the gun to assume that he was deliberately lying about the situation.

Re: Reddit CEO Calls Out Former Reddit Employee on Reddit

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post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the CEO's response accomplishes for me is prove the accusation that was out there. The ex-employee implied management doesn't like criticism. Management then completely overreacts to criticism.

It's not the criticism; it's the fact that an ex-employee is lying through his teeth about the company.

So tell me which part of this statement (true or not) deserved for him to be publicly drawn and quartered by somebody in a significantly more powerful position than him?

Officially: no reason. And I get this; I vaguely know how CA employment law works and that you limit your liability by not stating a reason. It's also really hard to work through in your mind. The best theory I have is that, two weeks earlier, I raised concerns about donating 10% of ad revenue to charity. Some management likes getting feedback, some doesn't. The reason I had concerns was that this was revenue, not income. That means you need ~10% margins to break even. This can be hard to do; Yahoo and Twitter don't. Salesforce does something similar, but it's more all-around, and in a way that promotes the product without risking the company's financials.

Re: Reddit CEO Calls Out Former Reddit Employee on Reddit

#270

Sounds like a toxic environment. Whatever the employee may have done to deserve separation, it is profoundly weird and troubling (and also, implicitly threatening to all employees, whatever their rank or standing) to see a CEO discuss those reasons in public.

No. If you make accusations in a public forum (as that employee did) the company is going to respond. That is a given and perfectly normal. The guy basically said he was "laid off" followed by "because I pissed off management with my feedback". Claiming it was a retaliatory firing forces a response.

He was actually pretty clear that he didn't really know why he was fired. He surmised the feedback might have been a factor, but certainly wasn't as confident about it as you paint him to have been.

This is hardly some horrible accusation against reddit. If anything, as far as fired employees talking about former employers goes, this is downright tame and respectful.

Moreover, he actually didn't bring it up first -- he was asked about it and simply answered the question.

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